Are these damning stats for Brian Ferentz?

[skinnykilmer17]

Since Brian Ferentz took over as Iowa OC, we are 1-10* against Big Ten teams that have finished .500 or above in those Big Ten seasons. We have averaged 15.5 points scoring in those losses. The one success he has had was the win against Ohio St in 2017.

Greg Davis was 7-14 against Big Ten teams that finished .500 or above in Big Ten games.

Iowa was 25-16 overall in conference games with Greg Davis as OC.

Iowa is 10-11 overall in conference games with Brian Ferentz as OC.

We have the same head coach and the same D- coordinator. What has changed?

Ferentz supporters like to point out that our scoring is up under BF. Isn't that meaningless compared to wins vs. losses?

Is this a fair comparison? Relevant?

* Even though the 2019 season hasn't been completed, I am including the losses to Michigan (3 -1) in conference play, and Penn St (3 - 0). Pretty good odds these two teams end up at least 5-4. On the flip side pretty good odds Rutgers (our lone victory) doesn't get there.

 

[Northside Hawk]

Since Brian Ferentz took over as Iowa OC, we are 1-10* against Big Ten teams that have finished .500 or above in those Big Ten seasons. We have averaged 15.5 points scoring in those losses. The one success he has had was the win against Ohio St in 2017.

Greg Davis was 7-14 against Big Ten teams that finished .500 or above in Big Ten games.

Iowa was 25-16 overall in conference games with Greg Davis as OC.

Iowa is 10-11 overall in conference games with Brian Ferentz as OC.

We have the same head coach and the same D- coordinator. What has changed?

Ferentz supporters like to point out that our scoring is up under BF. Isn't that meaningless compared to wins vs. losses?

Is this a fair comparison? Relevant?

* Even though the 2019 season hasn't been completed, I am including the losses to Michigan (3 -1) in conference play, and Penn St (3 - 0). Pretty good odds these two teams end up at least 5-4. On the flip side pretty good odds Rutgers (are lone victory) doesn't get there.

Come on, don't sell Rutgers short.

They will score again one of these weeks.

 

[deanvogs]

Since Brian Ferentz took over as Iowa OC, we are 1-10* against Big Ten teams that have finished .500 or above in those Big Ten seasons. We have averaged 15.5 points scoring in those losses. The one success he has had was the win against Ohio St in 2017.

Greg Davis was 7-14 against Big Ten teams that finished .500 or above in Big Ten games.

Iowa was 25-16 overall in conference games with Greg Davis as OC.

Iowa is 10-11 overall in conference games with Brian Ferentz as OC.

We have the same head coach and the same D- coordinator. What has changed?

Ferentz supporters like to point out that our scoring is up under BF. Isn't that meaningless compared to wins vs. losses?

Is this a fair comparison? Relevant?

* Even though the 2019 season hasn't been completed, I am including the losses to Michigan (3 -1) in conference play, and Penn St (3 - 0). Pretty good odds these two teams end up at least 5-4. On the flip side pretty good odds Rutgers (are lone victory) doesn't get there.

Greg Davis was 2-10 vs B1G teams that finished with a .500 record after 2 1/2 years of being at Iowa. Greg Davis was 9-10 overall in conference games under Greg Davis after 2 1/2 years.

Overall record for Greg after 2 1/2 years: 17-14
Overall record for Brian after 2 1/2 years: 21-11

 

[hawkinn3]

We have had bad offenses more often than not for 20 years, there is one common denominator.

 

[NCHawker]

Kirk has a high tolerance of below average offensive output. Some HC's would find Iowa's offensive productions unacceptable.

I think Kirk believe that he can win by resting the D and winning a low scoring game. Opposite extreme is some BigXII teams, Indiana and Maryland that score quickly but have tired defenses (who are same or less talented).

Still good O and good D are not mutually exclusive darn it.

 

[deanvogs]

We have had bad offenses more often than not for 20 years, there is one common denominator.

Yep, and Brian even let us in on the secret about the offense when he said the offenses "JOB" was to protect the defense. That is Kirk's directive from above, period, end of story. Don't put the defense in bad spots, protect them at all cost.

 

[chucktownhawk]

Come on, don't sell Rutgers short.

They will score again one of these weeks.

And so will Iowa.......

 

[koralakers]

Yep, and Brian even let us in on the secret about the offense when he said the offenses "JOB" was to protect the defense. That is Kirk's directive from above, period, end of story. Don't put the defense in bad spots, protect them at all cost.

So true. It almost feels like the offenses job is to bleed as much clock as possible, shorten game, and ATTEMPT to flip field position. Scoring any points is merely an afterthought

 

[Northside Hawk]

Yep, and Brian even let us in on the secret about the offense when he said the offenses "JOB" was to protect the defense. That is Kirk's directive from above, period, end of story. Don't put the defense in bad spots, protect them at all cost.

Yep, and Brian even let us in on the secret about the offense when he said the offenses "JOB" was to protect the defense. That is Kirk's directive from above, period, end of story. Don't put the defense in bad spots, protect them at all cost.

So true. It almost feels like the offenses job is to bleed as much clock as possible, shorten game, and ATTEMPT to flip field position. Scoring any points is merely an afterthought

For better or worse we once went to a Rose Bowl (1981) using that EXACT formula. Our inability to come from behind stung us when we got down in the Rose Bowl. Hell, we threw seven TD passes for the entire season. SEVEN!

Of course we had a bell cow defense that was even better than this one. We had an O-line. We had Reggie Roby. Most of all, we had the perspective of coming off two decades of losing seasons and were ready to enjoy any kind of win.

But just sayin'....

 

[HaydenHawk56]

 

[EstronHawkKing]

I was at a holiday party last year. A high school player in Iowa who is being recruited many schools father was there. He was telling us that every visitation they took at a Big 10 school , that every head coach told them that they hope Brian Ferentz is the next coach at Iowa.

 

[hawkeyes87]

Since Brian Ferentz took over as Iowa OC, we are 1-10* against Big Ten teams that have finished .500 or above in those Big Ten seasons.

Greg Davis was 7-14 against Big Ten teams that finished .500 or above in Big Ten games.

Yes, the offense almost always sucks. KF obviously doesn't prioritize scoring.

The more interesting / telling info is the lack of success against the upper half of the conference.

Makes me glad I'm not in the "7 or 8 wins every year is good enough" crowd!

 

[deanvogs]

Yes, the offense almost always sucks. KF obviously doesn't prioritize scoring.

The more interesting / telling info is the lack of success against the upper half of the conference.

Makes me glad I'm not in the "7 or 8 wins every year is good enough" crowd!

I don't think many people want 7 or 8 wins a year. I think most feel like if we win 7 or 8 a year in our down years, then that aint bad. Of course you have to sprinkle in the '15, '09, '02 and '04 type seasons as well or the 7/8 win years start to ring hollow.

We got to 9 wins last year. We won 12 games 4 years ago. Over the last 5 years Iowa is tied for the 15th most wins of all P5 schools. It all has context, as we are NOT in a '05-'07 swoon right now. People are freaking out about the 2 losses way too much right now. I had Iowa at 4-2 after the first 6 games before the season, and I'd bet so did 90% of people on here. The season isn't over, there is a long ways to go. Now if we end up 6-6, then obviously freaking out is justified, but right seems too early to be freaking out.

 

[oldhawk12]

Since Brian Ferentz took over as Iowa OC, we are 1-10* against Big Ten teams that have finished .500 or above in those Big Ten seasons. We have averaged 15.5 points scoring in those losses. The one success he has had was the win against Ohio St in 2017.

Greg Davis was 7-14 against Big Ten teams that finished .500 or above in Big Ten games.

Iowa was 25-16 overall in conference games with Greg Davis as OC.

Iowa is 10-11 overall in conference games with Brian Ferentz as OC.

We have the same head coach and the same D- coordinator. What has changed?

Ferentz supporters like to point out that our scoring is up under BF. Isn't that meaningless compared to wins vs. losses?

Is this a fair comparison? Relevant?

* Even though the 2019 season hasn't been completed, I am including the losses to Michigan (3 -1) in conference play, and Penn St (3 - 0). Pretty good odds these two teams end up at least 5-4. On the flip side pretty good odds Rutgers (our lone victory) doesn't get there.

They’ll throw out the following: can’t possibly do any better, great guy, nfl players bla bla bla (who the hell cares about that?), meaningless bowl games against also ran teams from other p5 conferences that are also there due to conference negotiated leverage, no of wins (the tom davis stat - only means you’ve been somewhere a long time. Focus is never on quality wins). They’ll throw out all the walk on success (every coach has these with these kinds of numbers). And they’ll generalize with throwing out win totals and bowl game numbers- all are strictly indicative of coaching at a p5 school with significant resources and naturally being the favorite through powder puff scheduling in roughly 7 games per year. And bowls line up naturally due to conference negotiations. He won when he had top assistants in the early 2000’s. It’s been a lot of smoke and mirrors since then. And far and away his mvp has been barta, parker, morgan, iowa media and big money boosters that have supported him.

 

[4thngoal]

Playing the clock works. But you have to score TD's. The end. If your philosophy is ball control and clock, your chances of victory start going down with every field goal and after 2 they really drop. Because there are only so many possessions. When you are using 2 of yours to get 6 and can be losing in 1 score by them, they are already stressing your defense. Where do you think they came up with the odds in going for it on 4th down? It's not just the play. The chances of getting it. It's the difference between winning and losing.
Jesus this isn't rocket science.
This is exactly what we have seen. Losing in close games. Our D carrying the weight.
If you can't explain it simply, you probably don't understand it well enough.
The fact is we need to score more TD's. The end.

 

[4thngoal]

I don't think many people want 7 or 8 wins a year. I think most feel like if we win 7 or 8 a year in our down years, then that aint bad. Of course you have to sprinkle in the '15, '09, '02 and '04 type seasons as well or the 7/8 win years start to ring hollow.

We got to 9 wins last year. We won 12 games 4 years ago. Over the last 5 years Iowa is tied for the 15th most wins of all P5 schools. It all has context, as we are NOT in a '05-'07 swoon right now. People are freaking out about the 2 losses way too much right now. I had Iowa at 4-2 after the first 6 games before the season, and I'd bet so did 90% of people on here. The season isn't over, there is a long ways to go. Now if we end up 6-6, then obviously freaking out is justified, but right seems too early to be freaking out.

It's not that. It's how we lost. Our offense looks like high school level.
Basically we look like a division 3 school out there on offense trying to steal a win and make a huge upset.

 

[oldhawk12]

I don't think many people want 7 or 8 wins a year. I think most feel like if we win 7 or 8 a year in our down years, then that aint bad. Of course you have to sprinkle in the '15, '09, '02 and '04 type seasons as well or the 7/8 win years start to ring hollow.

We got to 9 wins last year. We won 12 games 4 years ago. Over the last 5 years Iowa is tied for the 15th most wins of all P5 schools. It all has context, as we are NOT in a '05-'07 swoon right now. People are freaking out about the 2 losses way too much right now. I had Iowa at 4-2 after the first 6 games before the season, and I'd bet so did 90% of people on here. The season isn't over, there is a long ways to go. Now if we end up 6-6, then obviously freaking out is justified, but right seems too early to be freaking out.

It’s not about wins and losses so much as what the play on the field tells you about the product. There hasn’t been a credible offense in years and they play absolutely no one. Many are sick of his methods, personnel handling, game mgmt and demeanor towards everything. And the constant entitlement of family and friends in the program. That’s when there is too much power and invincibility comes in and the AD has to put a stop to it. He simply looks the other way

 

[deanvogs]

It's not that. It's how we lost. Our offense looks like high school level.
Basically we look like a division 3 school out there on offense trying to steal a win and make a huge upset.

Common, this is just dumb. We lost the last two games because we were minus 6 in TO. Even though we were minus 6 in TO, we still had a chance to win both games.

Even good offenses struggle against good defenses. Penn St. scored 30 points FEWER vs Iowa than they were averaging. Penn St. gained over 200 yards less vs Iowa than they had been averaging. Should Penn St. burn their offense to the ground, fire the OC because they did so much worse vs Iowa's D, then they were doing vs everyone else? They struggled to do much of anything vs Iowa. Guess what, Penn St. has a freaking good defense as well, so Iowa struggled against is just like they struggled vs our good defense.

Penn St. had one good drive all game long. It was the minus 2 in turnovers that cost Iowa the game. Penn St. scored 10 points off 2 Iowa turnovers, both with short fields to work with.

 

[deanvogs]

It’s not about wins and losses so much as what the play on the field tells you about the product. There hasn’t been a credible offense in years and they play absolutely no one. Many are sick of his methods, personnel handling, game mgmt and demeanor towards everything. And the constant entitlement of family and friends in the program. That’s when there is too much power and invincibility comes in and the AD has to put a stop to it. He simply looks the other way

Who cares if a loud 5% minority is sick of KF and his methods? You and those idiots can tilt at windmills all you want, but when KF is tied for the 15th most wins of all P5 teams over the last 5 years, why should he be going anywhere? I mean JFC man, you act like we have been awful the last 5 years. You are just off your rocker oldhawk, maybe it is time to take those meds the Dr. have been trying to get you to take.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

I was at a holiday party last year. A high school player in Iowa who is being recruited many schools father was there. He was telling us that every visitation they took at a Big 10 school , that every head coach told them that they hope Brian Ferentz is the next coach at Iowa.

Yeah, I'm totally sure that happened.