The “Highest scoring Iowa offense since 2002” gambit

[NikeHawk21]

If you hear this stat being floated around, understand it is highly misleading, and here is why.

Iowa’s defense and special teams accounted for 48 total points, or roughly 4 per game (6 TDs & 3 safeties).

Iowa’s defense set up the offense for many easy scoring drives. Iowa had a ridiculous 13 scoring drives of under 40 yards (8 TDs & 5 FGs). That’s another 71 points or nearly 6 points per game.

All of this is to say that Iowa’s defense as we all witnessed was very good this year. In a normal year you may get a few non offensive TDs, but 6 is quite a lot. You will get some short scoring drives, but our defense set up our offense time and time again. The offense, under the leadership of BF, still has a very long way to go.

 

[HuckFinn]

If you hear this stat being floated around, understand it is highly misleading, and here is why.

Iowa’s defense and special teams accounted for 48 total points, or roughly 4 per game (6 TDs & 3 safeties).

Iowa’s defense set up the offense for many easy scoring drives. Iowa had a ridiculous 13 scoring drives of under 40 yards (8 TDs & 5 FGs). That’s another 71 points or nearly 6 points per game.

All of this is to say that Iowa’s defense as we all witnessed was very good this year. In a normal year you may get a few non offensive TDs, but 6 is quite a lot. You will get some short scoring drives, but our defense set up our offense time and time again. The offense, under the leadership of BF, still has a very long way to go.

In order for this to make sense, I would suggest that you look at all of the big ten teams and apply the same logic. Thanks!

 

[David79]

In order for this to make sense, I would suggest that you look at all of the big ten teams and apply the same logic. Thanks!

Based on this response, you don't understand logic.

 

[tksirius]

Who was that poster that tried to explain to me that Iowa's offense wasn't ranked well due to Iowa's defense being so good?

 

[NikeHawk21]

In order for this to make sense, I would suggest that you look at all of the big ten teams and apply the same logic. Thanks!

Ohio State scored 39 non offensive points and had 9 scoring drives less than 40 yards. They scored 43.3/game compared to Iowa’s 30.9/game.

Obviously I don’t expect Iowa’s offense to be Ohio State’s so that is just a reference point.

 

[PCHawk]

If you hear this stat being floated around, understand it is highly misleading, and here is why.

Iowa’s defense and special teams accounted for 48 total points, or roughly 4 per game (6 TDs & 3 safeties).

Iowa’s defense set up the offense for many easy scoring drives. Iowa had a ridiculous 13 scoring drives of under 40 yards (8 TDs & 5 FGs). That’s another 71 points or nearly 6 points per game.

All of this is to say that Iowa’s defense as we all witnessed was very good this year. In a normal year you may get a few non offensive TDs, but 6 is quite a lot. You will get some short scoring drives, but our defense set up our offense time and time again. The offense, under the leadership of BF, still has a very long way to go.

So what years do you think were better? 08 09 and 10 are possibly. 15 maybe? In my opinion, our offensive coaching was pretty good because Stanley left a lot of makeable plays on the field.

 

[tksirius]

In my opinion, our offensive coaching was pretty good because Stanley left a lot of makeable plays on the field.

Another person that thinks coaching only involves calling plays.

 

[NikeHawk21]

So what years do you think were better? 08 09 and 10 are possibly. 15 maybe? In my opinion, our offensive coaching was pretty good because Stanley left a lot of makeable plays on the field.

Iowa has been an inept offense during the KF tenure that’s for certain. The point of the OP is that the points per game stats got skewed this year by how good our defense really was.

Iowa Ranked 76th nationally in yards per rush, 91st in completion %, and 76th in yards per play. If that’s our best offense since 2002 it’s more sad than anything else.

 

[Xerxes]

Who was that poster that tried to explain to me that Iowa's offense wasn't ranked well due to Iowa's defense being so good?

You and I must be in the same boat because I didn't understand that logic any better than you did. However those explanations would lighten my mood every day I read them because it caused me to laugh uncontrollably.

 

[lightning1]

Who was that poster that tried to explain to me that Iowa's offense wasn't ranked well due to Iowa's defense being so good?

That was hilarious. I can't recall who that was.

 

[westender]

In order for this to make sense, I would suggest that you look at all of the big ten teams and apply the same logic. Thanks!

And every other team in the country.

 

[westender]

Iowa has been an inept offense during the KF tenure that’s for certain. The point of the OP is that the points per game stats got skewed this year by how good our defense really was.

Iowa Ranked 76th nationally in yards per rush, 91st in completion %, and 76th in yards per play. If that’s our best offense since 2002 it’s more sad than anything else.

The rushing game in my opinion is what held this team back on offense. Whether that was o line or RB or bad scheme I don't know but our run game was not great. If we had Wadley this year we would not be sitting with 4 losses.

 

[PCHawk]

Another person that thinks coaching only involves calling plays.

My post was about Brian being an upgrade as an offensive coordinator. I would say he did pretty good at that aspect of his job. I wasnt referring to our recruiting at that position, our decision to not make a change at that position, or the job that position coach did.

 

[PCHawk]

Iowa has been an inept offense during the KF tenure that’s for certain. The point of the OP is that the points per game stats got skewed this year by how good our defense really was.

Iowa Ranked 76th nationally in yards per rush, 91st in completion %, and 76th in yards per play. If that’s our best offense since 2002 it’s more sad than anything else.

The question is, how much did it skew the stats compared to other years. This offense could very well still be the best since 02 (or close to it). And yes, that would be sad.

 

[HuckFinn]

Based on this response, you don't understand logic.

David: Logic is defined as "Reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity." If you still don't understand my suggestion to consider a wider range of data, please take a basic stats course. TK, you may want to join him.

 

[Ree4]

You and I must be in the same boat because I didn't understand that logic any better than you did. However those explanations would lighten my mood every day I read them because it caused me to laugh uncontrollably.

I used to do this in Tecmo Super Bowl, field a punt or kickoff and go out on the 1 yard-line so that I could get 99 yards of offense and pad my stats on every drive. If you only have to drive 40 yards and score a touchdown every time you get the ball versus driving 99 yards and score a touchdown every time, naturally you'd end the game with more total yards. The only problem is that this is similar to Microeconomic theory - it makes sense on paper but has no basis in reality.

If you still can't comprehend the point, imagine a team gets the ball on the opponent's one yard line every time. They score a touchdown every time. Now imagine a team gets the ball on their own 1 yard line every time. They score a touchdown every time. Which team would have more yards? The theory makes perfect sense but it does not apply to this team, or likely any other team for that matter unless they score every single time they get the ball. (Like I did in Tecmo Super Bowl).

 

[David79]

David: Logic is defined as "Reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity." If you still don't understand my suggestion to consider a wider range of data, please take a basic stats course. TK, you may want to join him.

I understand your suggestion, but it doesn't have anything to do with what he posted which was specifically about Iowa offenses. It wasn't a comparison to other offenses in the Big Ten which you seem to think it was. Your response was completely illogical in relation to what the OP was pointing out: that it may appear from the points that this was the best scoring Iowa offense since 2002 but that if you dug deeper that wasn't the case because of the amount of special teams and defensive scores.

Again, you must not understand logic.

 

[David79]

That being said, the offense was better than last year and if they had a QB who was more accurate on throws over 10 yards, and/or a big time RB the offense would have looked even better.

 

[tksirius]

David: Logic is defined as "Reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity." If you still don't understand my suggestion to consider a wider range of data, please take a basic stats course. TK, you may want to join him.

 

[HuckFinn]

I understand your suggestion, but it doesn't have anything to do with what he posted which was specifically about Iowa offenses. It wasn't a comparison to other offenses in the Big Ten which you seem to think it was. Your response was completely illogical in relation to what the OP was pointing out: that it may appear from the points that this was the best scoring Iowa offense since 2002 but that if you dug deeper that wasn't the case because of the amount of special teams and defensive scores.

Again, you must not understand logic.

You are indeed a joke. I certainly was responding to his post. He was, as you state, making the argument that "if you dug deeper" then the offense was not so adept. But, hey, just because every single team in the country has their offensive output based on points scored, regardless of the source, you found a way to create a new fact. Way to go.