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Absolutely would have fired Davis after year 4. If you go from 30 wins to 12 wins in 4 years? Are you kidding me?

Just curious - was it Davis' fault that Ray Thompson was academically ineligible 10 games into that season? He was averaging 19 points a game before he was declared ineligible - he was their leading scorer. I am not saying they would have been great, but that certainly hurt that team.
 


No, I'm not. As I said, you would have fired a coach that proceeded to reach the second round of the NCAA Tournament the next three years. That would have been smart? Maybe to you, not to me.

Davis and McCaffery aren't good enough for you. You've made that clear. I think you're in the minority.
By your rational we should have hung onto Lickliter because he might have taken Iowa to the 2nd round in the near future? He won 13 games in yr one and in year three his record was only three games worse than when he started. Which was still better than Davis was in year three. Lickliter would have had to come in and went 0 for 30 in his fourth season, to come close to the crash that Davis went through and he'd still be spotting Davis 5 games!
How far would Lickliter have taken us if we had retained him, in your opinion? If we gave him the extra 10 years that Davis had?
 


Just curious - was it Davis' fault that Ray Thompson was academically ineligible 10 games into that season? He was averaging 19 points a game before he was declared ineligible - he was their leading scorer. I am not saying they would have been great, but that certainly hurt that team.
There certainly was a pattern of academic ineligibility under Davis's tenure. Yes.
 


By your rational we should have hung onto Lickliter because he might have taken Iowa to the 2nd round in the near future? He won 13 games in yr one and in year three his record was only three games worse than when he started. Which was still better than Davis was in year three. Lickliter would have had to come in and went 0 for 30 in his fourth season, to come close to the crash that Davis went through and he'd still be spotting Davis 5 games!
How far would Lickliter have taken us if we had retained him, in your opinion? If we gave him the extra 10 years that Davis had?

If you're trying to draw a comparison between what Lickliter and Davis did here, we have nothing left to discuss.
 






If you're trying to draw a comparison between what Lickliter and Davis did here, we have nothing left to discuss.
He/she is just trolling. Any knowledgeable basketball fan can look at the record and know that Mr. Davis was/is a good coach. Now .. lightning is entitled to his/her opinion, as we all are, but IMHO he/she is just trolling.

Could TD have recruited the state better? Yup. But that doesn't make him a bad coach.

GO HAWKS!!!

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He/she is just trolling. Any knowledgeable basketball fan can look at the record and know that Mr. Davis was/is a good coach. Now .. lightning is entitled to his/her opinion, as we all are, but IMHO he/she is just trolling.

Could TD have recruited the state better? Yup. But that doesn't make him a bad coach.

GO HAWKS!!!

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He isn't trolling......he's serious.
 


So, you're saying Lickliter was a better coach than Davis?
Nope. I think they are both garbage. I'm not trying to elevate Lickliter. I'd have thought that much was obvious. Lickliter took the garbage that SA left and had 13 wins, 15 wins and 10 wins. Davis took the LOADED roster that Raveling left and went 30, 24, 23 and 12 wins. The rest of Davis's tenure was mediocre at best, with 1 Sweet 16 in 9 years. That's why my opinion of Davis is what it is.
 


Nope. I think they are both garbage. I'm not trying to elevate Lickliter. I'd have thought that much was obvious. Lickliter took the garbage that SA left and had 13 wins, 15 wins and 10 wins. Davis took the LOADED roster that Raveling left and went 30, 24, 23 and 12 wins. The rest of Davis's tenure was mediocre at best, with 1 Sweet 16 in 9 years. That's why my opinion of Davis is what it is.

Sorry. Nothing is obvious from you in this discussion. That's why I need to ask for clarification.

So Davis, Alford, Lick and Fran all are garbage in your mind? Iowa basketball hasn't been worthy of your time since Lute? That about right?
 


Sorry. Nothing is obvious from you in this discussion. That's why I need to ask for clarification.

So Davis, Alford, Lick and Fran all are garbage in your mind? Iowa basketball hasn't been worthy of your time since Lute? That about right?
Garbage might be a strong word. Bad to mediocre. I would have fired Davis after year 4. Alford after his 4th year. I never would have hired Lickliter. Fran is a little tougher to figure out what to do with. At this point I'd give him until 2019-20 for a BIG title and a Sweet 16 appearance. Not either or. Both. 10 years is more than enough to deliver those, IMO.
 


Garbage might be a strong word. Bad to mediocre. I would have fired Davis after year 4. Alford after his 4th year. I never would have hired Lickliter. Fran is a little tougher to figure out what to do with. At this point I'd give him until 2019-20 for a BIG title and a Sweet 16 appearance. Not either or. Both. 10 years is more than enough to deliver those, IMO.

You've got very high standards. I don't believe they're realistic but that's up to the individual. Our happiness hinges on our expectations.

I think attendance this season, especially for the NIT where nobody cares around the country, shows that fans are happy with what Fran is doing and are engaged. Time will tell what it takes to keep them coming.
 


You've got very high standards. I don't believe they're realistic but that's up to the individual. Our happiness hinges on our expectations.

I think attendance this season, especially for the NIT where nobody cares around the country, shows that fans are happy with what Fran is doing and are engaged. Time will tell what it takes to keep them coming.
My expectations typically mirror the cost of admission. If the cost of admission keeps going up, why shouldn't my expectations? A BIG title isn't too much to ask when 8 other BIG teams have managed to accomplish that in the past 15 to 20 years. Explain to me why that is expecting too much?
 


My expectations typically mirror the cost of admission. If the cost of admission keeps going up, why shouldn't my expectations? A BIG title isn't too much to ask when 8 other BIG teams have managed to accomplish that in the past 15 to 20 years. Explain to me why that is expecting too much?

So Fran could go to the sweet 16 and finish 2nd in the conference the next 2 years and you would fire him? That's a pretty dumb move unless you're bringing in a proven hall of fame coach.
 




Absolutely would have fired Davis after year 4. If you go from 30 wins to 12 wins in 4 years? Are you kidding me?

Would you have also fired John Calipari after the 2012-13 season when UK lost in the NIT first round? Unacceptable to have those kinds of results in his 4th year, right? After winning 35, 29, and 38 the previous three?

Down years can happen to the best programs. To expect otherwise at Iowa is foolhardy at best.
 
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Would you have also fired John Calipari after the 2012-13 season when UK lost in the NIT first round? Unacceptable to have those kinds of results in his 4th year, right? After winning 35, 29, and 38 the previous three?
It wasn't just because of his record in his 4th year.
Year 1 - 30 wins
Year 2 - 24 wins
year 3 - 23 wins
year 4 - 12 wins
That's from the penthouse to the outhouse in 4 years. That's from John Calipari great season results to Todd Lickliter your fired results in 4 years! And Calipari won the National Championship in his 3rd year! That buys you a lot of good will. Poor comparison. Davis couldn't even win a BIG title. Much less a NC. Davis took the most talented roster Iowa has ever had and did NOTHING with it.
 


My expectations typically mirror the cost of admission. If the cost of admission keeps going up, why shouldn't my expectations? A BIG title isn't too much to ask when 8 other BIG teams have managed to accomplish that in the past 15 to 20 years. Explain to me why that is expecting too much?

Since 1987, which is 31 years, here are the teams that have won or shared Big Ten regular season championships. We've won two conference tournament titles, so I'm guessing you're talking regular season:

Michigan St. (8)
Purdue (7)
Indiana (7)
Ohio St. (7)
Illinois (5)
Wisconsin (4)
Michigan (2)

So, that's seven teams. Likewise, those seven teams have won more Big Ten titles than Iowa in the history of the league. Iowa is eighth.

Wisconsin went from 1947-2002 without winning the conference.
Michigan 1986-2012 without winning.
Ohio St. had a drought that lasted from 1992-2006.
Illinois had gaps from '63-84 and then '84-98.

That's four of the seven teams that have won titles in the last 31 years that have had gaps without winning a championship for a decade.

McCaffery took over a program in its worst shape ever. Yet, you're asking for a Big Ten title AND a Sweet 16 in his first 10 years or you'd fire him. To me, that's unrealistic. That's my opinion based on history here and elsewhere in the league.

But, as I said, you're free to have whatever standards and expectations you choose. It's up to the individual and our happiness as a fans of a given team are connected to them.

I do believe your standards and expectations are in the minority of the Iowa fan base. Again, I can base that off of attendance that's increased under McCaffery and was the best in the nation for the NIT.

Could that change. Sure. It's fluid. Time will tell.

Someone could say that the Iowa fans are settling for mediocrity by supporting a team that falls below your standards and expectations. That charge is irrelevant. It's their money. If they want to go to games, it's their right. They're happy to support the program just like it's your right not to.
 


So Fran could go to the sweet 16 and finish 2nd in the conference the next 2 years and you would fire him? That's a pretty dumb move unless you're bringing in a proven hall of fame coach.
I think it's a dumb move even for a hall of fame coach. There will be loss of continuity. How long will they stay?
 




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