think we are predictable on offense?

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verlandj

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I have always thought we are way too predictable on offense and have heard reports of just that from opposing teams' media coverage.
It sure seems to me that we telegraph our plays by our formations.... if the tailback is 7 yards or so deep it is going to be a run.
between that and when we line up in shotgun, it is pretty easy for teams to know beforehand what kind of play they have to defend.
Just wish we could be a little more stealthy and keep opposing defenses guessing.
 




verlandj said:
I have always thought we are way too predictable on offense and have heard reports of just that from opposing teams' media coverage.
It sure seems to me that we telegraph our plays by our formations.... if the tailback is 7 yards or so deep it is going to be a run.
between that and when we line up in shotgun, it is pretty easy for teams to know beforehand what kind of play they have to defend.
Just wish we could be a little more stealthy and keep opposing defenses guessing.
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setting up tendencies and then breaking them at the right moments is the game, no?
 


verlandj said:
I have always thought we are way too predictable on offense and have heard reports of just that from opposing teams' media coverage.
It sure seems to me that we telegraph our plays by our formations.... if the tailback is 7 yards or so deep it is going to be a run.
between that and when we line up in shotgun, it is pretty easy for teams to know beforehand what kind of play they have to defend.
Just wish we could be a little more stealthy and keep opposing defenses guessing.
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Dang Kirk must be stupid coach, go ahead and take his place as play caller in your living room!
 






verlandj said:
I have always thought we are way too predictable on offense and have heard reports of just that from opposing teams' media coverage.
It sure seems to me that we telegraph our plays by our formations.... if the tailback is 7 yards or so deep it is going to be a run.
between that and when we line up in shotgun, it is pretty easy for teams to know beforehand what kind of play they have to defend.
Just wish we could be a little more stealthy and keep opposing defenses guessing.
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As I have been saying for years, even in the KOK era the hawks just dont use enough counter plays and other types of surprise plays out of their different types of formations.

Now the zone blocking schemes have built in counter runs if you have the right tailbacks.

I do think Greg Davis is running a few more screens and draws to try to be tricky and slow down the pass rush.

But the OP is correct as some years ago a around 2007 a freshman QB at Indiana making his first start tore apart the hawk defense and after the game he said his coaches told me exactly what to expect and I knew exactly what to do.

Same thing goes for opposing defenders who mostly know where the plays are going, the run plays are going to first movement direction.

It would be very interesting to look at all KF running plays and I bet they go to the direction of first movement 95-98% of the time. Easy of opponents to sell out with those tendencies.
 


Sometimes I'm watching a game and pretty much know exactly what Kirk and Co. are going to do before they even line up. So you know any defensive coordinator is going to pick up on that...but I guess that has always been our thing...you know what we're going to do. We're just going to out-execute you.

And some of our tendencies are stupid tendencies...like rolling CJB into the short side of the field and to his left...that is kind of driving me nuts this year....not even giving him a chance really if the play breaks down...

But....5-0. Go hawks!
 




imported_ankle23 said:
setting up tendencies and then breaking them at the right moments is the game, no?
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That's a good strategy for getting yourself in a dog fight against lesser opponents. Let them defend you easily for an entire game and when they least expect it, break tendencies for one play and hope it works. Sounds way smarter than trying to not have tendencies at all.
 


Perfect time to bring this up. :confused:

there was truth to that in the past, but they are being more diverse now than in recent years so I don't get your point at the current time.
 


Not as predictable as a thread about predictable.

5-0 wasn't predictable.
 




I thought they went to a coaches clinic in the offseason in Oregon or something and looked at ways to disguise plays by formation and stuff. Either way, the infamous zone run where the running back runs right into a wall of defenders only happened like three times against Wisconsin on Saturday. Earlier years that would happen like every third play or something.
 


Well, I hate to complain at 5-0, but the announcer during the Wisconsin game was able to pretty much accurately predict run/pass based on down and distance, time after time. So yeah, too predictable. But yeah, 5-0. I get it. Still, I'm sure there's room for improvement in certain areas when it comes to breaking tendencies, etc.

Just because we're 5-0 doesn't mean that everything is perfect and there's no further tweaks or improvements that could be made. The work is never really done, is it?
 




HomerChampless said:
Watch the second half of last week's game then.
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There's a difference between being predictable and establishing patterns to break them. For a team predicated on run first like Iowa, having multiple formations and sets in which to run then call play action is important. But you bring this up this week? Wisconsin's Dave Aranda WILL be a head coach in the near future, and he's basically as strong of a DC as Narduzzi is/was. And Wisky's defense, outside of Aranda, has some huge playmakers in Schobert, Biegel and the cornerback duo they have. Two strong pass and run stuffers with two strong cover corners means that it's going to be hard to not telegraph plays.

But really, here's the important part: predictable or not, Iowa is 5-0 with a win against a top 25 team and is now ranked for the first time 4+ years (5?). Considering how "predictable" Iowa has been over the last 5 years, how did we get to this point if we're still predictable?
 


1977Hawkeye said:
Well, I hate to complain at 5-0, but the announcer during the Wisconsin game was able to pretty much accurately predict run/pass based on down and distance, time after time. So yeah, too predictable. But yeah, 5-0. I get it. Still, I'm sure there's room for improvement in certain areas when it comes to breaking tendencies, etc.

Just because we're 5-0 doesn't mean that everything is perfect and there's no further tweaks or improvements that could be made. The work is never really done, is it?
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He even had the % by the down & distance to go. He was wrong once but it was on the edge of the distance. Every team has tendencies though.
 


Teams are going to continue to blitz the crap out of us until we can prove we can stop it. All of our Power5 opponents have done it, and every one of those games came down to the final minutes.

We had some factors limiting us in WI, injuries, weather....but this is feeling a lot like the 2013 season, where the offense goes into a shell in the 2nd half, and we rely on defense to win. We have a much easier schedule than that year....tho that may be debatable.

It would have been nice to run more screens, slants, etc last Saturday. Or at the very least, maybe try to block their playmaker on defense with a TE or RB.

Everyone is very high right now, but the biggest tendency i see is the close games and poor offense under KF staying around. Don't expect blowouts, but would like to see more competence.

See how we look against IL
 


HawkInATX said:
There's a difference between being predictable and establishing patterns to break them. For a team predicated on run first like Iowa, having multiple formations and sets in which to run then call play action is important. But you bring this up this week? Wisconsin's Dave Aranda WILL be a head coach in the near future, and he's basically as strong of a DC as Narduzzi is/was. And Wisky's defense, outside of Aranda, has some huge playmakers in Schobert, Biegel and the cornerback duo they have. Two strong pass and run stuffers with two strong cover corners means that it's going to be hard to not telegraph plays.

But really, here's the important part: predictable or not, Iowa is 5-0 with a win against a top 25 team and is now ranked for the first time 4+ years (5?). Considering how "predictable" Iowa has been over the last 5 years, how did we get to this point if we're still predictable?
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<<But really, here's the important part: predictable or not, Iowa is 5-0 with a win against a top 25 team and is now ranked for the first time 4+ years (5?). Considering how "predictable" Iowa has been over the last 5 years, how did we get to this point if we're still predictable?>>

Because we're out-executing?
 


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