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hawkjunkie

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Rumor has it he still may have Iowa on his radar. Not sure what to make of that? Maybe it is a courtesy call to Fran. Maybe he is going thru his other picks just to be sure... saving the best for last.

Anyone else have some thoughts?

Going thru all of his choices, Iowa offers him the most chance to shine - no other true PG, lots of wings and stretch 4s to feed, uptempo offense, proven coach who does more with less(according to the bogus star ranking systems) and who is a players coach, lots of future players coming in, excellent facilities, etcetera...

Not sure why Fran doesn't have the PG he wants. Maybe he is trying too hard. He is an intense competitor.
 


Just curious, what was the source of this rumor? I hope it is true. Would be happy to see him in a hawkeye uniform.
 


Fran is not a salesman. He's a great coach but when it comes to recruiting he's not able to sell high level recruits on Iowa. He doesn't BS like coaches like Groce or Crean do and doesn't have any staff members either. Regardless of their job security they are still able to land recruits. Heck, even Rutgers was able to land a top-100 player today. What does Rutgers offer that Iowa doesn't? Fran hasn't been able to land a big time PG even though 4 years of starting for a good Iowa team that plays in the Big Ten is there. I don't get it other than Fran isn't selling what others are.
 


TheIowaHawkGuy said:
Fran is not a salesman. He's a great coach but when it comes to recruiting he's not able to sell high level recruits on Iowa. He doesn't BS like coaches like Groce or Crean do and doesn't have any staff members either. Regardless of their job security they are still able to land recruits. Heck, even Rutgers was able to land a top-100 player today. What does Rutgers offer that Iowa doesn't? Fran hasn't been able to land a big time PG even though 4 years of starting for a good Iowa team that plays in the Big Ten is there. I don't get it other than Fran isn't selling what others are.
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I am going to bite my tongue until I see how good some of these Freshmen are and especially Moss. He does need to get a high quality point guard and may have one in Moss. Isn't this Fran's sixth season at Iowa? We should be entering a time in Fran's career at Iowa that the level of recruiting peaks and gives the outline of where his program is going to be every year.

If I were to compare his status with previous coaching I would put him at the level of the Tom Davis era but I have to be cautious since Mr. Davis got us to the NCAA tournament on a regular basis. I am hopeful that Fran can do that. I think this upcoming season will be a defining season as to what trend his legacy will be. If we step forward and are very successful then I foresee a great legacy for him. If we struggle then it could adversely affect future recruiting and things could drop off.
 


BigD said:
I am going to bite my tongue until I see how good some of these Freshmen are and especially Moss. He does need to get a high quality point guard and may have one in Moss. Isn't this Fran's sixth season at Iowa? We should be entering a time in Fran's career at Iowa that the level of recruiting peaks and gives the outline of where his program is going to be every year.

If I were to compare his status with previous coaching I would put him at the level of the Tom Davis era but I have to be cautious since Mr. Davis got us to the NCAA tournament on a regular basis. I am hopeful that Fran can do that. I think this upcoming season will be a defining season as to what trend his legacy will be. If we step forward and are very successful then I foresee a great legacy for him. If we struggle then it could adversely affect future recruiting and things could drop off.
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In state recruits are good enough for the next few years that it might make Fran look like he's recruiting better than he actually is.
 


PCHawk said:
In state recruits are good enough for the next few years that it might make Fran look like he's recruiting better than he actually is.
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if it works then I am fine with that but I think what your hinting at is what happens if a time comes when the instate recruits are not that good? I agree with those who feel that out of state recruiting is going to be vital in making Iowa a top tier Big Ten team year in and year out. Most top ten programs I am sure recruit from all over the United States and some even outside of the country. I doubt there would be few that would argue with that point.

The Moore recruit could be huge for Fran and get him jump started on gaining even MOoRE (pun intended) top recruits.
 


TheIowaHawkGuy said:
Fran is not a salesman. He's a great coach but when it comes to recruiting he's not able to sell high level recruits on Iowa. He doesn't BS like coaches like Groce or Crean do and doesn't have any staff members either. Regardless of their job security they are still able to land recruits. Heck, even Rutgers was able to land a top-100 player today. What does Rutgers offer that Iowa doesn't? Fran hasn't been able to land a big time PG even though 4 years of starting for a good Iowa team that plays in the Big Ten is there. I don't get it other than Fran isn't selling what others are.
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Who did Rutgers land?
 


He's landed Oglesby, Uthoff, Gesell and Woodbury since he's been here that have been considered 4 star recruits and Moss is close. He took over a non blue bloods program that was in the gutter and made it respectable. With the new facilities and sustained success, recruiting should be better. I like the fact that he tapped into Chicago this last class and needs to keep after it. People also need to remember there are over 300 D-1 basketball schools and between 150 4/5 star recruits.
 




Briggs32 said:
He's landed Oglesby, Uthoff, Gesell and Woodbury since he's been here that have been considered 4 star recruits and Moss is close. He took over a non blue bloods program that was in the gutter and made it respectable. With the new facilities and sustained success, recruiting should be better. I like the fact that he tapped into Chicago this last class and needs to keep after it. People also need to remember there are over 300 D-1 basketball schools and between 150 4/5 star recruits.
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Based on last season I wonder how fans would rank those four you mentioned on a scale of 1 to 10 as far as Big Ten caliber? A "10" being premier Big Ten caliber, A "5" being a average Big Ten player, and a "1" being weak sauce.

I would give the following rank; Woody "6", Oglesby "3", Gesell "6", and Uthoff "7". I am hoping to be able to place the three still on the team at a much higher rank by the end of the season which would bold well for the team. Incidentally I would give Jok a "5" with the potential to be much better. He showed flashes of an "8" and at other times looked like a "4". Consistency will be a key for all four of the players coming back that I ranked. My gut tells me that Uthoff and Jok could make significant strides and be major impact players. Would like to think Woody could do the same but Uthoff and Jok to me exhibit the greatest amount of potential talent that could show incredible upside. Both could reach the "9" or "10" level. This is of course my humble opinion.
 






TheIowaHawkGuy said:
Fran is not a salesman. He's a great coach but when it comes to recruiting he's not able to sell high level recruits on Iowa. He doesn't BS like coaches like Groce or Crean do and doesn't have any staff members either. Regardless of their job security they are still able to land recruits. Heck, even Rutgers was able to land a top-100 player today. What does Rutgers offer that Iowa doesn't? Fran hasn't been able to land a big time PG even though 4 years of starting for a good Iowa team that plays in the Big Ten is there. I don't get it other than Fran isn't selling what others are.
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Fran has done just fine...he's just not selling the same things as others have to sell. Illinois and Indiana are jobs on a different level than Iowa's the past 15 years...Indiana, for the past 40 years.
 


TheIowaHawkGuy said:
Fran is not a salesman. He's a great coach but when it comes to recruiting he's not able to sell high level recruits on Iowa. He doesn't BS like coaches like Groce or Crean do and doesn't have any staff members either. Regardless of their job security they are still able to land recruits. Heck, even Rutgers was able to land a top-100 player today. What does Rutgers offer that Iowa doesn't? Fran hasn't been able to land a big time PG even though 4 years of starting for a good Iowa team that plays in the Big Ten is there. I don't get it other than Fran isn't selling what others are.
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If your definition being able to recruit is 'top 100' and if that also equates to 'big time', then i think you should scan this rivals 150 list to see if it applies to any of your standards...

https://rivals.yahoo.com/Iowa/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-2509/0

p.s. link says football, it is basketball...
 


JonDMiller said:
Fran has done just fine...he's just not selling the same things as others have to sell. Illinois and Indiana are jobs on a different level than Iowa's the past 15 years...Indiana, for the past 40 years.
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Agree that Fran is doing just fine. Last 2 years, Iowa produced NBA picks from guys that weren't
highly recruited , at all. RDM wasn't considered blue chip and Aaron White had like One offer.
This staff is proving they are solid, working hard to bring out best in players.

And, sorry Jon, but I don't buy the IllSwini, IU stuff. Neither of those programs have been dominant, especially
VS theeeee IOWA HAWKEYES

Just sayin............
 


Sounds as though Coach McCaffery is tired of being led on by Moore and the Chicago basketball mafia and has moved on.
 


JonDMiller said:
Fran has done just fine...he's just not selling the same things as others have to sell. Illinois and Indiana are jobs on a different level than Iowa's the past 15 years...Indiana, for the past 40 years.
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Yeah, Fran is doing fine given his situation. He'll have to overcome the recruiting barrier at some point if Iowa is to go beyond what the team achieved the last 2 years. The perception of the Iowa program took a beating for basically an entire generation. From 1999 (Davis' last year) until 2014, Iowa went to the NCAA tournament a grand total of 3 times, winning 1 game in the tourney in that time. And that period was capped off by the 3 years of Lickliter, where Iowa cratered to possibly the worst program in a power conference. If you are in a Power 5 conference with 3 NCAA appearances in 15 years, that is the definition of irrelevant. it takes time to crawl out of that hole.

Combine that with Iowa's recruiting base (or lack thereof) and the Iowa administration's unwillingness to play in the same sandbox as many other programs, and recruiting is even more difficult. Sidenote - I despise Iowa constantly talking about doing things "the right way." I want my school/program to do all that is legal/ethical, and not put itself on some high road that many of its cohorts don't adhere to. If you want to compete for championships, then don't hamstring programs by declaring certain things that are legal (but you don't agree with) off-limits. Just as an example, how would the Iowa administration have reacted if it was revealed that Iowa City police, when responding to a noise/neighbor complaint at a residence of a basketball player, called McCaffery instead of issuing a citation to the player? This happened in Ames where police would call Hoiberg instead of issuing citations on complaint calls to Dejean-Jones' apartment. Does Iowa want to win, or does it want to win the "Doing it the Right Way" award. Whatever that means.

If Fran can get Iowa into the tourney for a 3rd straight year, it would be a very good feat for the program. it would be the first time since 1990-91 through 1992-93. Each successive good year adds to the program's perception. Hopefully it will help in pulling in a greater percentage of Fran's top targets as well.
 


DodgerHawki said:
Yeah, Fran is doing fine given his situation. He'll have to overcome the recruiting barrier at some point if Iowa is to go beyond what the team achieved the last 2 years. The perception of the Iowa program took a beating for basically an entire generation. From 1999 (Davis' last year) until 2014, Iowa went to the NCAA tournament a grand total of 3 times, winning 1 game in the tourney in that time. And that period was capped off by the 3 years of Lickliter, where Iowa cratered to possibly the worst program in a power conference. If you are in a Power 5 conference with 3 NCAA appearances in 15 years, that is the definition of irrelevant. it takes time to crawl out of that hole.

Combine that with Iowa's recruiting base (or lack thereof) and the Iowa administration's unwillingness to play in the same sandbox as many other programs, and recruiting is even more difficult. Sidenote - I despise Iowa constantly talking about doing things "the right way." I want my school/program to do all that is want to win the "Doing it the Right Way" award. Whatever that means. legal/ethical, and not put itself on some high road that many of its cohorts don't adhere to. If you want to compete for championships, then don't hamstring programs by declaring certain things that are legal (but you don't agree with) off-limits. Just as an example, how would the Iowa administration have reacted if it was revealed that Iowa City police, when responding to a noise/neighbor complaint at a residence of a basketball player, called McCaffery instead of issuing a citation to the player? This happened in Ames where police would call Hoiberg instead of issuing citations on complaint calls to Dejean-Jones' apartment. Does Iowa want to win, or does it

If Fran can get Iowa into the tourney for a 3rd straight year, it would be a very good feat for the program. it would be the first time since 1990-91 through 1992-93. Each successive good year adds to the program's perception. Hopefully it will help in pulling in a greater percentage of Fran's top targets as well.
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I think Moore is probably scared of competing with Williams, Moss, and Fleming. All three will have a year of the Iowa coaches system by the time Moore or any other point guard would of gotten to Iowa. I don't see Williams, Moss, or Fleming as lacking in potential. These high school guys play against each other all the time, and I imagine they know about who Iowa has on its roster. I doubt Fran was in a position to promise Moore major playing time next year.
 


I read where Huerter has scheduled a visit for October. He is another guy that can play multiple positions.
 


This is the first time I can remember in a very long time that Iowa has this level of talent from players 1-10...with some very promising young guys. With the best players from Iowa lining up...he is in a very good position to add to that success with some marque talent. Give credit where credit is due...he's seriously upgraded depth going forward.
 


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