WegsBabyUnk
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No ****, what the **** is a cyclonesinsider?
Ahmad Wagner a Hawk
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No ****, what the **** is a cyclonesinsider?
GoHawks24
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I would say that the JUCO transfer (Anthony Hubbard was his name, right?) that was previously in prison and didn't even see a minute on the court was a pretty big whiff. You could also say that Ingram was a whiff too.
That said, I don't have a major problem with Fran's recruiting up to this point. It's like some people think we're this sexy program that should be able to land top recruits. People need to get more realistic about what kind of program Iowa is and the level that we're at.
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MiniMoeHawk
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Go support another team
LawVHawk
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Some people think Fran should have been able to parlay the one-two punch of Gesell and Woody into recruiting at a much higher level. It's not apparent to many of us that he has.
To the other Kool-Aid drinkers on here, don't dismiss what Groce is doing one state over. Illinois is going to be solid in a year or two.
deanvogs
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Clic already does, he is a Clown troll.
Already attacks the rim better than any Iowa player, definitely better than Woody or Gabe. This is the kind of player Ia needed to beet teams like Wisconsin. Think James Winters only bigger--Reggie Evans maybe.
HawkeyeHypnosis
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HawkeyeHypnosis
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http://www.landgrantholyland.com/20...ch-dartis-wagner-moyer-make-college-decisions
From article;
Strong and powerful, Wagner is the ultimate teammate, and is one of the more active post players in his class. Playing all 21 games for All-Ohio Red this summer, Wagner averaged 6.8 points and 3.8 rebounds on 54 percent shooting. Helping lead Wayne to a regional semifinal appearance in 2013-14, Wagner averaged 13.8 points and 10 rebounds per game, while shooting over 60 percent from the field.
From article;
Strong and powerful, Wagner is the ultimate teammate, and is one of the more active post players in his class. Playing all 21 games for All-Ohio Red this summer, Wagner averaged 6.8 points and 3.8 rebounds on 54 percent shooting. Helping lead Wayne to a regional semifinal appearance in 2013-14, Wagner averaged 13.8 points and 10 rebounds per game, while shooting over 60 percent from the field.
TheIowaHawkGuy
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Good to know Cyclone fans are great evaluators and know-it-alls when it comes to Wagner and Iowa's recruiting. Guess they would know though being they are a blue-blood program over in Ames with their national...oh wait! The douchery is strong over there. Not sure there is another fanbase that would have 160 page thread about a RIVAL'S awful basketball recruits!
http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/showthread.php?t=175988&page=156
http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/showthread.php?t=175988&page=156
HawkeyeHypnosis
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Lots of good things being said about him.
http://www.btpowerhouse.com/2014/8/11/5990757/big-ten-recruiting-roundtable
From article:
Fran McCaffery received a commitment from 6-7 small forward Ahmad Wagner. The Ohio product is unranked in the 247Sports composite, but is rated as a 3-Star prospect by Rivals. Wagner is a menace in the restricted area that will bring tremendous energy on the boards for the Hawkeyes. His offensive game is largely underdeveloped, but his mid-range is better than he's given credit for and he has a ton of room to grow. Wagner joins Brandon Hutton and Andrew Fleming in McCaffery's 2015 class, with two scholarships still available.
http://www.btpowerhouse.com/2014/8/11/5990757/big-ten-recruiting-roundtable
From article:
Fran McCaffery received a commitment from 6-7 small forward Ahmad Wagner. The Ohio product is unranked in the 247Sports composite, but is rated as a 3-Star prospect by Rivals. Wagner is a menace in the restricted area that will bring tremendous energy on the boards for the Hawkeyes. His offensive game is largely underdeveloped, but his mid-range is better than he's given credit for and he has a ton of room to grow. Wagner joins Brandon Hutton and Andrew Fleming in McCaffery's 2015 class, with two scholarships still available.
He didn't have a conditional offer. He probably did commit to Iowa before someone else did because he wanted to come to Iowa. I thnk Fran slept good last night and is pretty happy today. He probably has been on the phone with some of his other recruits today.
Fans who compare him to Jarryd Cole need to remember that Cole was a much higher rated recruit than Wagner...so I think it is difficult to make that comparison.
Looking back, it seems that Alford, despite not having the new facilities we have now, did recruit very well compared to Lick and Fran. SA managed to pull in 12 top 150 recruits in his first 7 years,with a number of top 50 guys like PP, Somerville,Reiner,and Smith. Lick and Fran are pretty similar in recruits they have landed.
Looking back, it seems that Alford, despite not having the new facilities we have now, did recruit very well compared to Lick and Fran. SA managed to pull in 12 top 150 recruits in his first 7 years,with a number of top 50 guys like PP, Somerville,Reiner,and Smith. Lick and Fran are pretty similar in recruits they have landed.
Haha, you don't make any sense.
How many combined seasons did Somerville and Smith play for Iowa? Who cares if SA got them to sign with Iowa? Most of them either washed out and transferred or werent developed under Alford and staff.
It seems like every year under Alford, Iowa was playing with about 8 scholarships players. If you want to throw out any similarities between Alford/Lick/Fran it should be the terrible job of player retention that was done by both Alford and Lick.
The only marquee name that Lick got in an Iowa uniform was Gatens and he would have been a Hawkeye if Satan was the head coach.
I am not defending SA's coaching or record. Just his ability to close on kids that other schools wanted. Kentucky offered Somerville , who did become a very good player at Bradley.
I know everyone hates SA, but I am talking about pure recruiting prowess. Mr. Davis got some top guys, SA got a few, Lick got only Gatens, and now Fran has been killing himself to land a bunch of top 150 guys (20-25 by my count), only to come up short. Is it Iowa? I think so, even with our great new facilities, we cannot land these top guys that Fran spends so much time pursuing. ....not his fault, so I think it is a perception problem around the country of Iowa as boring corn-laden.
I know everyone hates SA, but I am talking about pure recruiting prowess. Mr. Davis got some top guys, SA got a few, Lick got only Gatens, and now Fran has been killing himself to land a bunch of top 150 guys (20-25 by my count), only to come up short. Is it Iowa? I think so, even with our great new facilities, we cannot land these top guys that Fran spends so much time pursuing. ....not his fault, so I think it is a perception problem around the country of Iowa as boring corn-laden.
You are correct about the player retention under SA...it was horrible. So far, under Fran, we have only lost Hubbard, Ingram and Meyer.
I do not get why all these guys are passing on Iowa....Fran is a great coach.
AnyoneButYou
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Need quality wins to make this a true statement. Fran has improved the team but has not gotten UI to the Big Dance and obviously hasn't won any games in that tournament. Need that step before recruits take notice.
Looking at the guys Fran is going for now might be an indication of the problem as Fran currently sees it. Changing the athletes will change the culture and might make it more attractive for some of the types he's been missing on.
Iowa made the NCAA tourney last season.
