Expectations too high

Lost to Indiana by 5 points, shot 3-17 from 3
Lost to MSU by 3, 4-16 from 3
Lost to Purdue by 3, 5-17 from 3.
Lost to Minn by 3, 7-23 from 3
Lost to Wisc by 4 in 2OT, 5-23 from 3
Lost to Neb by 4, 5-15 from 3
Lost to MSU in the tournament, 5-18 from 3.

Iowa shot 30% from 3. If they improve to the middle of the pack in the NCAA, they would be around 34%. Had they shot around that in all of the above games, they would have won at least 3 of them, putting them at 12-6 and no worse than 3rd.
 




To the OP: what expectations that you're seeing do you consider to be unrealistic?

Personally, I definitely think we'll make the NCAA tournament, and wouldn't be surprised in the least to see us win a game or two. Looking at our roster I really don't consider that to be unrealistic. I haven't seen anyone claim that we'll be national champions or make the final four so I'm hoping you can enlighten me.
 


Am I confused or was there a 4 way tie for 2nd place?
We lost 4 games where we were winning with a minute left. We lost a 19 point halftime lead to Nebraska. We had a million chances to beat Indiana at home and couldn't make a shot. As crazy as it sounds we could have won the conference with average outside shooting.
 


Ifs and buts.....Iowa didn't shoot well, and we lost those games. We were what our record says we were. Granted, we were close, but the fact is we lost all those games. The next step in progressing is winning those games, not playing the if and but games.
 


deanvogs said:
Ifs and buts.....Iowa didn't shoot well, and we lost those games. We were what our record says we were. Granted, we were close, but the fact is we lost all those games. The next step in progressing is winning those games, not playing the if and but games.
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Agreed, I was just showing that it would have made a difference for those that said it would not. This year is going to be fun.
 


theboat said:
Agreed, I was just showing that it would have made a difference for those that said it would not. This year is going to be fun.
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I know boat. Sometimes as fans (me included) you keep saying if this, and but that, we were actually better than our record. I think this is something every fan base does.
 


theboat said:
Lost to Indiana by 5 points, shot 3-17 from 3
Lost to MSU by 3, 4-16 from 3
Lost to Purdue by 3, 5-17 from 3.
Lost to Minn by 3, 7-23 from 3
Lost to Wisc by 4 in 2OT, 5-23 from 3
Lost to Neb by 4, 5-15 from 3
Lost to MSU in the tournament, 5-18 from 3.

Iowa shot 30% from 3. If they improve to the middle of the pack in the NCAA, they would be around 34%. Had they shot around that in all of the above games, they would have won at least 3 of them, putting them at 12-6 and no worse than 3rd.
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That's not how math works.
 


theboat said:
Lost to Indiana by 5 points, shot 3-17 from 3
Lost to MSU by 3, 4-16 from 3
Lost to Purdue by 3, 5-17 from 3.
Lost to Minn by 3, 7-23 from 3
Lost to Wisc by 4 in 2OT, 5-23 from 3
Lost to Neb by 4, 5-15 from 3
Lost to MSU in the tournament, 5-18 from 3.

Iowa shot 30% from 3. If they improve to the middle of the pack in the NCAA, they would be around 34%. Had they shot around that in all of the above games, they would have won at least 3 of them, putting them at 12-6 and no worse than 3rd.
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What this tells me is that Iowa as a whole either couldn't create shots or settled for 3's or both.

I said it all last season ball movement and shot selection hurt Iowa. Settling for bad shots by not moving the ball and shooting quick killed Iowa in those games. There was no viable reason for Iowa to take more than 10 shots from distance in any game the numbers don't lie.
 




sportstalent said:
What this tells me is that Iowa as a whole either couldn't create shots or settled for 3's or both.

I said it all last season ball movement and shot selection hurt Iowa. Settling for bad shots by not moving the ball and shooting quick killed Iowa in those games. There was no viable reason for Iowa to take more than 10 shots from distance in any game the numbers don't lie.
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Iowa was 184th in 3 point shots/game with 17.6.
Had they attempted 10/game, they would have been 346 out of 347. That is silly to think that is where it should have been.

Again, having watched every minute last year, sure they took bad shots, all teams do. But I don't think they were ever consistently throwing it up with guys in their face and 20 seconds left on the shot clock. They took good shots most of the time, especially Oglesby, they just didn't fall.
 




theboat said:
Iowa was 184th in 3 point shots/gh 17.6.
Had they attempted 10/game, they would have been 346 out of 347. That is silly to think that is where it should have been.

Again, having watched every minute last year, sure they took bad shots, all teams do. But I don't think they were ever consistently throwing it up with guys in their face and 20 seconds left on the shot clock. They took good shots most of the time, especially Oglesby, they just didn't fall.
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Silly? Did you or did you not cringe every time someone shot a 3-pt shot? Iowa passed up a lot of mid-range shots that ended in empty posessions.

When a team shoots that low of a percentage why shoot many of them? There were forced 3's more in transition than half court which is where the shot selection comes back into play.

Iowa doesn't have one dependable shooter, hopefully someone can step up and fill that role.
 


sportstalent said:
Silly? Did you or did you not cringe every time someone shot a 3-pt shot? Iowa passed up a lot of mid-range shots that ended in empty posessions.

When a team shoots that low of a percentage why shoot many of them? There were forced 3's more in transition than half court which is where the shot selection comes back into play.

Iowa doesn't have one dependable shooter, hopefully someone can step up and fill that role.
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There's a difference between forced three's and just missed threes. I don't think Iowa forced a lot of transition three's last year. Passing up an open transition three to play for a mid range jumper is not smart basketball.
 


sportstalent said:
Silly? Did you or did you not cringe every time someone shot a 3-pt shot? Iowa passed up a lot of mid-range shots that ended in empty posessions.

When a team shoots that low of a percentage why shoot many of them? There were forced 3's more in transition than half court which is where the shot selection comes back into play.

Iowa doesn't have one dependable shooter, hopefully someone can step up and fill that role.
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I did a half cringe, half hope type thing. They were good shots by guys that are supposed to knock them down. Only Dr. Phil can tell us why they sucked so bad under the lights.

I still think they shot 3's that were there. It is not like ISU that just chucked them up left and right (granted, they made a good % of them)
 


hawkfan33 said:
There's a difference between forced three's and just missed threes. I don't think Iowa forced a lot of transition three's last year. Passing up an open transition three to play for a mid range jumper is not smart basketball.
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If you can't hit a wide open 3 in transition why take it...run a real fast break and get a layup.

I also did not imply to pass up an open 3 for a mid-range shot, however my example above is what Iowa was lacking as well. Iowa's fast break was about as fun as watching them shoot a 3-pointer...cringeworthy.

Iowa has too many guys with the ability to shoot well to shoot that poorly this season.
 


sportstalent said:
If you can't hit a wide open 3 in transition why take it...run a real fast break and get a layup.

I also did not imply to pass up an open 3 for a mid-range shot, however my example above is what Iowa was lacking as well. Iowa's fast break was about as fun as watching them shoot a 3-pointer...cringeworthy.

Iowa has too many guys with the ability to shoot well to shoot that poorly this season.
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An open transition three is one of the best shots you can get, why would they pass that up?
 




hawkfan33 said:
An open transition three is one of the best shots you can get, why would they pass that up?
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I understand what you are saying, but Iowa didn't have a Stauskas, Hulls, Thomas, Harris, or Hardaway type player that could hit one on a regular basis.

There were multiple players that shot under 30%, the odds are far from in your favor that Iowa was going to hit one of the best shots as you describe. Iowa had one proven 3-pt shooter heading into last season and McCabe had an awful shooting year.
 


hawkfan33 said:
An open transition three is one of the best shots you can get, why would they pass that up?
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I understand what you are saying, but Iowa didn't have a Stauskas, Hulls, Thomas, Harris, or Hardaway type player that could hit one on a regular basis.

There were multiple players that shot under 30%, the odds are far from in your favor that Iowa was going to hit one of the best shots as you describe. Iowa had one proven 3-pt shooter heading into last season and McCabe had an awful shooting year.
 


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