Expectations too high

[theboat]

I do not think it is absurd, and I am not trolling. Marble struggled to compete against quality competition. He does some things well, but he is not a difference maker and I question his head and heart at times. In big games against good athletes his shooting was as follows: Wichita St 4-12, Iowa St 2-10, Indiana 1-14, Michigan 4-9, OSU 2-11, Purdue 2-11, Penn St 3-10, Wisconsin 1-10, MSU 3-9 (with a huge TO at the end of the game), and Baylor 3-12. That works out to 25% from our supposed best player.

And the NBA thing if I recall was something his dad was talking about too. There was plenty of conversation about it other than just quickly answering a reporter's question.

I also struggle with the fact that he seems to play/shoot his best when he has the ball. Our team would be better if he could play the 2 and let Gesell run the point, but he seems to need to dominate the ball to be effective. And I agree with an earlier poster who said he Cannot create his own shot- well he can create it, he just rarely makes it! I would prefer a different option at the end of close games next year, but that wont happen.

As for my expectations, I think we will end up middle of the pack in the Big Ten with MSU, Michigan, OSU, Indy and Wisconsin ahead of us. We have a brutal schedule and may finish at .500 and sneak into the tourney with an 8 or 9 seed. On a neutral court against an athletic bunch, we may lose in the first round. But to hear some people say we will finish 3rd in the Big Ten, that expectation is too high IMHO. I just dont think Marble is a "winner" so I am a bit of a downer because of him.

Why did you leave off games @ Indiana, @Virginia, Illinois and Maryland? Don't fit the pre-determined narrative?

4 quality opponents, 2 road (one at the #1 team in the country) where he averaged 21.5 pts, 6 rebounds, and 3.5 assists while shooting 47.5%

 

[PCHawk]

I actually think expectations might be to low. If we were an average 3 point shooting team last year we would have won the big 10. Bad shooting can be contagious and I don't see it carrying over into next year. With the senior leadership, improved freshmen, and new players, we are looking at a really good year.

 

[eveningnewsteam]

Why did you leave off games @ Indiana, @Virginia, Illinois and Maryland? Don't fit the pre-determined narrative?

4 quality opponents, 2 road (one at the #1 team in the country) where he averaged 21.5 pts, 6 rebounds, and 3.5 assists while shooting 47.5%

Marble did not play well against Indiana. He was 1 of 14 from the field, played well at home against Illinois. The NIT games, meh, do it when it counts.

 

[Campbell]

I actually think expectations might be to low. If we were an average 3 point shooting team last year we would have won the big 10. Bad shooting can be contagious and I don't see it carrying over into next year. With the senior leadership, improved freshmen, and new players, we are looking at a really good year.

You're not serious are you? Finished in the top five, maybe.

 

[deanvogs]

Marble did not play well against Indiana. He was 1 of 14 from the field, played well at home against Illinois. The NIT games, meh, do it when it counts.

So postseason games don't count? What is Marble supposed to do, Iowa didn't make the NCAA tourney....should he have shut it down then?

 

[hawkfan33]

Marble did not play well against Indiana. He was 1 of 14 from the field, played well at home against Illinois. The NIT games, meh, do it when it counts.

If only we had the chance to play Indiana twice, I have a feeling Marble might have been able to throw up 20 at Assembly Hall. If he only had the chance...

 

[PCHawk]

You're not serious are you? Finished in the top five, maybe.

Yea I'm serious. Almost every game they lost was 1 or 2 possessions and they shot poorly in most of them. If we shoot average instead of poor we win those games. Besides wasn't there only a 1 game difference between 1st and 5th?

 

[theboat]

Marble did not play well against Indiana. He was 1 of 14 from the field, played well at home against Illinois. The NIT games, meh, do it when it counts.

The NIT was very important to the team last year, even if you don't think so. Your comment should be "do it when you are not hurt," which he did.

As for the @Indiana game, he was awesome. Even against Indiana at Carver which you are referencing he got to the free throw line and made 12-13. that is what good players do, they find a way when one thing isn't working.

 

[trj]

He also left off the game at Indiana. I do agree with him that Marble is not an elite player who can consistently score against good teams all by himself, there are very few players like that out there. But when he just lists games where Mable has struggled and claims that it is a list of "big games", well that just looks likes trolling.

Yeah, it does feel like one of the dirty 30.

 

[trj]

Duffman I see you.

Ding, ding, ding we have a winner folks.

 

[sportstalent]

Dan Dakich disagrees.

But either way you are right. Either he gets his head right and actually makes shots, or he rides the pine and misses 100% of the shots he doesn't take. Either way it gets better.

Not the Crotch Itch...he strikes again

 

[OLWPAORWWM]

The NIT was very important to the team last year, even if you don't think so. Your comment should be "do it when you are not hurt," which he did.

If I may interject, the point he was making is that Marble didn't perform well against good teams. While I certainly won't argue that ludicrous point for him, I will point out that Iowa's games in the NIT were not against very good teams.

 

[OUTofTOWNHAWK]

If I may interject, the point he was making is that Marble didn't perform well against good teams. While I certainly won't argue that ludicrous point for him, I will point out that Iowa's games in the NIT were not against very good teams.

Smells Alty around here.

 

[PalmettoHawkFan]

I will point out that Iowa's games in the NIT were not against very good teams.

yeah

virgina and maryland were pretty bad

not

 

[Campbell]

Yea I'm serious. Almost every game they lost was 1 or 2 possessions and they shot poorly in most of them. If we shoot average instead of poor we win those games. Besides wasn't there only a 1 game difference between 1st and 5th?

Even if Eric May took his mask off and Kliff Kingsbury was underneath there, there would have been less than a 1% chance Iowa would have finished ahead of Michigan, Ohio State or Indiana. Michigan State, not likely either, but maybe. Wisconsin, probably. So yeah, I'd say top five.

 

[hawkfan33]

Even if Eric May took his mask off and Kliff Kingsbury was underneath there, there would have been less than a 1% chance Iowa would have finished ahead of Michigan, Ohio State or Indiana. Michigan State, not likely either, but maybe. Wisconsin, probably. So yeah, I'd say top five.

Well no ****. How would having an ex Texas Tech QB help us finish higher in the B10?

 

[theboat]

Smells Alty around here.

there are a lot lately.

 

[theboat]

If I may interject, the point he was making is that Marble didn't perform well against good teams. While I certainly won't argue that ludicrous point for him, I will point out that Iowa's games in the NIT were not against very good teams.

@Indiana was not a good team?

 

[tm3308]

You're not serious are you? Finished in the top five, maybe.

Maybe top 5? We finished 6th with AWFUL outside shooting. I'm not saying we would have won the Big Ten with average shooting, but we would have been 3rd or 4th.

 

[tm3308]

Even if Eric May took his mask off and Kliff Kingsbury was underneath there, there would have been less than a 1% chance Iowa would have finished ahead of Michigan, Ohio State or Indiana. Michigan State, not likely either, but maybe. Wisconsin, probably. So yeah, I'd say top five.

In the games against MSU and Indiana (at Carver) and at Wisconsin, Iowa shot 25% or worse from behind the arc. If they had average shooting in those games, they likely win all three. That would have put them in a tie for third place with Michigan and MSU.

There were other poor shooting nights, but I didn't include any game in which they shot better than 25% from 3-point range. That's being awfully generous in favor of your argument, and yet it still doesn't hold water.