Cant we all just get along?

Section136 said:
I havent been in the P/C forum since October so I have no idea what you are talking about.

Im certain there wasnt a single sportscaster that called him Robert Sanders.

Once again, is it that hard?
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Mark Jones and Bob Davies did a lot of Iowa games back then I don't recall that type of slip up.
 


DP5555 said:
I could name a handful of coaches right off the top of my head who don't act like they enjoy what they're doing while they are at a press conference. Ferentz is a football coach not a Public Relations Specialist. Is it part of the job? Of course it is and he knows that. That doesn't mean he has to be giddy about getting in front of a microphone and answering people's questions.

Now if you were at practice and saw the way he interacted with his players, and then came to the conclusion that you don't think he likes what he does then that would be a different story. Saying he doesn't seem like he enjoys what he's doing because of his attitude at press conferences is a pretty weak argument. Specially after these last couple seasons. I'm pretty sure no one would enjoy being in that position.
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He doesnt get a free pass to act like a baby when he an his team have played poorly. None of us get to be a jerk to those we interact with just because we are having a bad day. He gets paid to talk to the media if he didnt he wouldnt do it. So he needs to put on his big boy pants and act like a man. That goes for all coaches. You can have a bad day without swearing or talking down with those who you interact with at work.

Kirk gets paid big dollars to do what he does. He knew what was involved in the job.

I dont think he likes his job anymore, but hes not walking away from the money or his son.
 


I doubt any of us know how he really feels about things but I think he loves working with and coaching the kids. Not so much with the media. Most people have parts of their job that they like more than other parts. But Yes we do have to do the parts we dont like too.
 


OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
He doesnt get a free pass to act like a baby when he an his team have played poorly. None of us get to be a jerk to those we interact with just because we are having a bad day. He gets paid to talk to the media if he didnt he wouldnt do it. So he needs to put on his big boy pants and act like a man. That goes for all coaches. You can have a bad day without swearing or talking down with those who you interact with at work.

Kirk gets paid big dollars to do what he does. He knew what was involved in the job.

I dont think he likes his job anymore, but hes not walking away from the money or his son.
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Right. That is one thing that's telling about him in recent years. Everybody talks about how good of guy he is. He didn't even apologize when he tore into that reporter that tried to make things right with him after that one presser last year. Add that to the countless times that he's not taken responsibility for foolish game calls, and this displays a different side of ferentz that I highly doubt just raises its ugly head at pressers and no place else.

FreedComanche

 


FreedComanche said:
Right. That is one thing that's telling about him in recent years. Everybody talks about how good of guy he is. He didn't even apologize when he tore into that reporter that tried to make things right with him after that one presser last year.
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First off, I would hardly refer to Rob Howe as a reporter.

If that is the incident you are talking about, Howe deserved every bit of that tongue lashing KF gave him. It was a completely irrelevant question regarding DJK months after he was dismissed from the team. IIRC, it was something along the lines of the whole KF blacklisted DJK from the NFL crap that was all over.

Why does everybody consider KF witty during his pressers during the seasons Iowa wins 10 games but rude and mean to reporters when Iowa wins less games?
 




Season just needs to get here. No one can agree about anything.

Here's something we can all agree upon... half of us are going to be screaming "I told you so" about midway through the season. I honestly have no clue whether that will be the KF supporters or the haters. Should be interesting.
 


THIS
DP5555 said:
Season just needs to get here. No one can agree about anything.

Here's something we can all agree upon... half of us are going to be screaming "I told you so" about midway through the season. I honestly have no clue whether that will be the KF supporters or the haters. Should be interesting.
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HomerChampless said:
I think it's fact there are some posters on this board who aren't concerned, solely, with the success of Iowa football, which could be detrimental (if the coaching staff reacted, and I know they do) to the success of Iowa sports.
Case(s) in point would be the replacement of KOK, and showing preseason offense that doesn't give the defense time to substitute.

Facts aren't allowed anymore?

EDIT: I want Iowa football to be successful, but I'm not sure what some of you other guys want.
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I am solely concerned with the success of the Iowa football program, and who said "facts" aren't allowed?

If it was a "fact" that firing KF and hiring coach ???? would fix everything, then I would be on board. It isn't a fact, and we have no idea who Iowa would hire, what their success rate is, how much experience they have, or if they are a good head coach.

We are going to nab another KF when we replace him. They won't be above the MAC level as a head coach, so we are going to have to go on "faith" that the new hire will be better than KF. I am fine with that, I won't b!tch and moan, as everyone starts somewhere, and there are plenty of good coaches out there. Yet good coaches aren't guaranteed success. Look at Belichick, Saben, or about 99% of head coaches out there. They have all been fired (or left because they were struggling), they have all failed to some extent at where they are. That is the nature of the business.

I guess the long and short of it is, to me KF has had success in the past, and I don't see why he can't have success in the future. As long as we are near .500 this year, we shake off last year, I think we are in good shape for '14 to contend for the CCG. I know many on here think he should be gone now, and that is fine, and these things are a matter of "opinion", not "fact".
 


I'm so confused. If I love the Hawks and want to support them am I supposed to like KF now or like him when he's not the coach anymore?
 


Section136 said:
First off, I would hardly refer to Rob Howe as a reporter.

If that is the incident you are talking about, Howe deserved every bit of that tongue lashing KF gave him. It was a completely irrelevant question regarding DJK months after he was dismissed from the team. IIRC, it was something along the lines of the whole KF blacklisted DJK from the NFL crap that was all over.

Why does everybody consider KF witty during his pressers during the seasons Iowa wins 10 games but rude and mean to reporters when Iowa wins less games?
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I wasn't referring to Howe and had forgotten about that incident.

I was referring to the time when the presser was over, and the reporter apologized to ferentz behind the scenes. Neither ferentz nor the reporter knew they were being filmed. The guy apologized to ferentz, and then ferentz went off on him dropping at least one F bomb.

FreedComanche
 


FreedComanche said:
I wasn't referring to Howe and had forgotten about that incident.

I was referring to the time when the presser was over, and the reporter apologized to ferentz behind the scenes. Neither ferentz nor the reporter knew they were being filmed. The guy apologized to ferentz, and then ferentz went off on him dropping at least one F bomb.

FreedComanche
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What was he apologizing for?
 


FreedComanche said:
I wasn't referring to Howe and had forgotten about that incident.

I was referring to the time when the presser was over, and the reporter apologized to ferentz behind the scenes. Neither ferentz nor the reporter knew they were being filmed. The guy apologized to ferentz, and then ferentz went off on him dropping at least one F bomb.

FreedComanche
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The reporter never apologized. He did concede he could have phrased the question better, but I don't recall an apology.

FERENTZ REACTION: Coach Ferentz Reacts To Reporter Question About Gray | WHOTV.com
 


Seems like a non event to me (the press conference "incident".) happens pretty often where I work.
 




deanvogs said:
I am solely concerned with the success of the Iowa football program, and who said "facts" aren't allowed?

If it was a "fact" that firing KF and hiring coach ???? would fix everything, then I would be on board. It isn't a fact, and we have no idea who Iowa would hire, what their success rate is, how much experience they have, or if they are a good head coach.

We are going to nab another KF when we replace him. They won't be above the MAC level as a head coach, so we are going to have to go on "faith" that the new hire will be better than KF. I am fine with that, I won't b!tch and moan, as everyone starts somewhere, and there are plenty of good coaches out there. Yet good coaches aren't guaranteed success. Look at Belichick, Saben, or about 99% of head coaches out there. They have all been fired (or left because they were struggling), they have all failed to some extent at where they are. That is the nature of the business.

I guess the long and short of it is, to me KF has had success in the past, and I don't see why he can't have success in the future. As long as we are near .500 this year, we shake off last year, I think we are in good shape for '14 to contend for the CCG. I know many on here think he should be gone now, and that is fine, and these things are a matter of "opinion", not "fact".
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See I can agree with most of this. I think this is why Mr. Vogs and I can get along. You want to wait and see. I want to move on. We both understand that a new coach may only get the same amount of wins.


What I cant understand is people who think the last couple of years is normal. Thats what I dont get. Its more than the amount of wins at the end of the year. The problem with kirk is more about who he loses to. Iowa is bringing in the talent all they need is to find a guy who will clean up the awful losses that Iowa has every year. Take away the average of two horrible losses every year and there would be no reason to fire Kirk.

Now some think he can clean that up. I dont see it without Norm. Norm is who should have been making 4 mil a year, locked up until he couldnt go anymore.

Iowa is a lot sexier than what Kirk tells you fellas. Iowa could pull in a good coach as if one is available.
 




Section136 said:
Wait, so you are saying freed was incorrect in his criticism of KF? I am shocked.
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Watch the video and tell me that doesn't look like an apology. Whatever, though. You enjoy being a little smart alec. That's your MO.

You purposefully ignore the big picture and look for a detail that my not be totally correct. And even if it's a small detail that doesn't pass your stupid, incoherent test; you then totally blast the overall premise that is true.

Dumb, but I think understand that is all part of your plan - to character assassinate anybody that doesn't fit within your narrow view of ferentz

FreedComanche
 


FreedComanche said:
Watch the video and tell me that doesn't look like an apology. Whatever, though. You enjoy being a little smart alec. That's your MO.

You purposefully ignore the big picture and look for a detail that my not be totally correct. And even if it's a small detail that doesn't pass your stupid, incoherent test; you then totally blast the overall premise that is true.

Dumb, but I think understand that is all part of your plan - to character assassinate anybody that doesn't fit within your narrow view of ferentz

FreedComanche
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U mad.
 


OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
See I can agree with most of this. I think this is why Mr. Vogs and I can get along. You want to wait and see. I want to move on. We both understand that a new coach may only get the same amount of wins.


What I cant understand is people who think the last couple of years is normal. Thats what I dont get. Its more than the amount of wins at the end of the year. The problem with kirk is more about who he loses to. Iowa is bringing in the talent all they need is to find a guy who will clean up the awful losses that Iowa has every year. Take away the average of two horrible losses every year and there would be no reason to fire Kirk.

Now some think he can clean that up. I dont see it without Norm. Norm is who should have been making 4 mil a year, locked up until he couldnt go anymore.

Iowa is a lot sexier than what Kirk tells you fellas. Iowa could pull in a good coach as if one is available.
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I don't hear a lot of people, even those on the KF bandwagon, acting like these last couple years are normal. Certainly not last year. 4-8 is unacceptable. Losses to teams like Central Michigan are absolutely unacceptable. Regularly losing to Iowa State is incredibly frustrating and should not happen routinely. Could you reference someone who is claiming they are okay with these things?

Now I have heard people, including myself, say that down years are going to happen at Iowa. That's just reality in my opinion. We haven't ever had the ability to consistently reload year in and year out so to expect that is a bit extreme. I think in a way the level of success Ferentz brought to the Iowa program has sort of upped his own ante. A lot of fans have begun to expect consistent 8,9, or 10 win seasons because he showed he was capable of leading a team there. Sometimes reality reaches around and punches you right in the nose, and I honestly believe some Hawk fans need to take it like a man and accept it.

I believe that your strong opinion on the matter may make you assume things a bit when you're arguing with someone who is in favor of keeping Ferentz around long enough to see if he can right the ship. I haven't ever met a Hawk fan who is okay with losing to terrible teams or who accepts a 4-8 season.
 


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