Steve Perry, ferentz and an analogy

Glad to know that you are a musician. Since you are, you know that Steve Perry is not at all a rock singer. There is no doubt that in his prime he had the most unique and powerful voice and was one heck of a showman on stage. I think he was one of the most talented singers ever. But he was not a rock singer. By the way, he's really not been popular since leaving Journey and that, to at least a certain degree, makes my point.

It is not a wrong premise. The analogy may not be a strong one, but there is some similarity to ferentz.

On Steve Smith, he is so talented that he could be a very, very good drummer in any genre of music. Don't you think?

What makes someone a "great rock singer" is pretty subjective. It's been argued for years. I can certainly understand someone not caring for Perry's approach to rock; personally, I thought he was perfect for the material, which was "rock" by any definition. But it's really a matter of opinion. I was reacting more to your implication he wasn't gifted or talented, which is objectively untrue. He also wrote or co-wrote most of their hits.

I agree with you on Smith. Saw him live a couple years ago in Seattle with a combo - incredible. Neil Schon was no slouch either; if Carlos Santana hires you at age 15, you can play guitar.
 




I'm sure most on here at least know of Steve Perry as most of us remember the band Journey. I was thinking about Iowa Football today and this analogy between Steve Perry and ferentz just popped in my head. Stay with me and it will make some sense.

When Steve Perry was the lead singer of Journey he had massive success at being a lead singer of a rock band. I won't list all of Journey's successes, but they were absolutely huge in the early to mid 80's and were declared the nation's best rock band by Rolling Stone magazine.

What the he-- does that got to do with Iowa Football and ferentz? A lot actually. You see, Steve Perry was never a rocker before he joined Journey. He was and is more of a soulful, pop crooner than anything. The Journey guys didn't even want him, but their manager made them take him in. Good for them they did because they were millionaires a short time after he joined with them.

Ok, ok I'll get to the point now. Steve Perry became very famous and made a ton of money doing something he was not gifted as - a rock singer. Similarly, ferentz had a lot of success doing something he was not gifted as - a head coach of a D-1A college football team.

Steve Perry was successful as a rock singer because he had good songwriters he worked with as well as good musicians, and he could shout like a rock singer if he had to. ferentz was successful because he had a good D. coord and good asst coaches who could recruit good players.

Left to themselves, they both do not have the talent to be successful at those vocations. OOth had it right in a post the other day when he stated that ferentz never was a good head coach. Steve Perry was never a good rock singer either.

In short, lighting struck in a bottle for ferentz. It won't again. Hope I am wrong.

FreedComanche

Ohh ohh Kirrrk all alone...holds ooon...holds ooon!
 




I don't believe you hate him. I believe you think you are clever. That is where you went wrong.

I don't think that. Just got enough sense to realize that ferentz is not gifted to be a head coach as well as a lot of other head coaches in d-1a are not. Most asst. coaches don't have the talent to be head coaches. Just because you are a good position coach or a good coordinator does not mean you will be a good head coach.

FreedComanche
 


I also believe Freed Comanche listens to the voices in his head.... oh, and also maybe wears a pony tail.

About as far away from a pony tail as possible, and it's still up for grabs on if I listen to voices in my head. I think it comes from without rather than from within.

Crazy? I don't think so. Strange/weird? Maybe a little.

FreedComanche
 


About as far away from a pony tail as possible, and it's still up for grabs on if I listen to voices in my head. I think it comes from without rather than from within.

Crazy? I don't think so. Strange/weird? Maybe a little.

FreedComanche

Clueless? Absolutely.
 


maybe we could work up a parallel with this guy. He wore and arrow shirt.

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Actually, I think General George McClellan might be a better analogy. McClellan reorganized the army of the Potomac after an early defeat from disorganization into an apparently strong and fit fighting force. He was a great organizational general. Yet, when he led his troops into battle he always overestimated the Confederate forces, froze, and would often be paralyzed when the actual bullets were flying, leading usually to defeats. Lincoln finally sacked him a second time.

Of course, Barta ain't no Lincoln.
 


I'm sure most on here at least know of Steve Perry as most of us remember the band Journey. I was thinking about Iowa Football today and this analogy between Steve Perry and ferentz just popped in my head. Stay with me and it will make some sense.

When Steve Perry was the lead singer of Journey he had massive success at being a lead singer of a rock band. I won't list all of Journey's successes, but they were absolutely huge in the early to mid 80's and were declared the nation's best rock band by Rolling Stone magazine.

What the he-- does that got to do with Iowa Football and ferentz? A lot actually. You see, Steve Perry was never a rocker before he joined Journey. He was and is more of a soulful, pop crooner than anything. The Journey guys didn't even want him, but their manager made them take him in. Good for them they did because they were millionaires a short time after he joined with them.

Ok, ok I'll get to the point now. Steve Perry became very famous and made a ton of money doing something he was not gifted as - a rock singer. Similarly, ferentz had a lot of success doing something he was not gifted as - a head coach of a D-1A college football team.

Steve Perry was successful as a rock singer because he had good songwriters he worked with as well as good musicians, and he could shout like a rock singer if he had to. ferentz was successful because he had a good D. coord and good asst coaches who could recruit good players.

Left to themselves, they both do not have the talent to be successful at those vocations. OOth had it right in a post the other day when he stated that ferentz never was a good head coach. Steve Perry was never a good rock singer either.

In short, lighting struck in a bottle for ferentz. It won't again. Hope I am wrong.

FreedComanche

Fail. Dismal fail.
 


About as far away from a pony tail as possible, and it's still up for grabs on if I listen to voices in my head. I think it comes from without rather than from within.

Crazy? I don't think so. Strange/weird? Maybe a little.

FreedComanche

I think if we were to add up all of your posts/threads in the past several months probably 90% or more of them have to do with your dislike of Kirk Ferentz. Clearly your points aren't changing anyone else's opinions, and it's painfully obvious everyone on here knows how you feel about Kirk.

So my question is this... why do you feel the need to continue to post the same things over and over again? We get it. Bring something else to the dinner table besides the same damn recipe over and over again. People will enjoy your company a bit more.

You tried to put a twist on the same thing you've been saying for months by comparing KF to a Rockstar hahaha... nice try. A for effort. F for execution.
 


Actually, I think General George McClellan might be a better analogy...

Of course, Barta ain't no Lincoln.

I totally agree with your analogy.

You know, for a conservative coach that wants the D to win ball games, Ferentz's Iowa teams perennially have horrible pass defenses. Phil Parker who coached Iowa's pass defense under Norm's regime, is now the D coodinator. Somethings just don't make sense.

And some Iowa 'fans' perennially say it's the offense's fault. Yeah, right.
 
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I think if we were to add up all of your posts/threads in the past several months probably 90% or more of them have to do with your dislike of Kirk Ferentz. Clearly your points aren't changing anyone else's opinions, and it's painfully obvious everyone on here knows how you feel about Kirk.

So my question is this... why do you feel the need to continue to post the same things over and over again? We get it. Bring something else to the dinner table besides the same damn recipe over and over again. People will enjoy your company a bit more.

You tried to put a twist on the same thing you've been saying for months by comparing KF to a Rockstar hahaha... nice try. A for effort. F for execution.

Ah, when has your posts that don't change anyone's opinions ever stopped you from posting? I'm won't cross over to political topics 'cause I want to continue to post.
 




Freed - I understand your frustration with the program and leadership. I can empathize.

But in an effort to turn this conversation into something more constructive let me pose this question;

What else would you like KF to do over the spring/summer that would cause you to reconsider your desire to have him replaced?

He's made wholesale changes in coaching (whether it was by choice or by necessity of saving his job is mostly irrelevant; the changes were made), the spring game showcased a different pace of play, a new offensive style (at the very least a hybrid of the old with a newer style) and a no-huddle look.

Granted the skeptic in me says it remains be seen what (if any) of these components will actually make it to a real game but you've got to admit the approach KF has taken this off-season is significantly different than previous years.
 




I don't think that. Just got enough sense to realize that ferentz is not gifted to be a head coach as well as a lot of other head coaches in d-1a are not. Most asst. coaches don't have the talent to be head coaches. Just because you are a good position coach or a good coordinator does not mean you will be a good head coach.

FreedComanche

I would say Ferentz is more gifted at being a head coach than you are at creating analogies.
 






I will never forget the words of a high school coach in the Boston area who coached a recruit Iowa was pursuing. I think he came with the recruit to visit Iowa and afterward he said that KF was amazing in meetings with the coaching staff...his quote '' KF was incredible in his organizational meetings...the guy could be President of the US..''

I suspect that KF's talents are more subtle than the OP is willing to recognize. The OP clearly underrates the complexity involved in running a 100 million/yr college football program. To flatly state that KF is not head coaching material is just plain stupid. Why the OP feels compelled to beat this drum every fricking day of the year is beyond me...clearly obsessed with KF...if I was KF I would beef up home security.
 


The reason I don't think your analogy works is that under your premise, Steve Perry was willing to change, to become something he was not, whereas, Kirk has been, and is, the same guy. Only recently have we seen some inkling he is willing to change, but in small doses, and even those, it seems to me, are being done reluctantly. I think this Fall, we'll see whether there are any real changes in his approach to football. Last year was a mashup of the worst of 2 offenses. Hopefully, it will be different this season.

BTW - This is why we loved him in the past, and now why we are frustrated by him.
 
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