HawkeyeMHA
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News to me. I always thought it was a four year deal. Seems shady to give a scholly and then take back
Oversigning at Indiana
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jacknicholson
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It does get tiresome and when they lose in the first round of the NIT, it is rewarding......
jacknicholson
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That is an essential parenting skill that does wonders for your children, but in the world of athletics, there is a point when reality strikes hard.....
jacknicholson
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Sleazy will work also, Doc.....
jacknicholson
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Those who recruit a player should have the ability to know if a player will fit the system, is coachable, and has the ability. It is their fault if they are faulty in their choice. Fran seems to recruit a certain type of player who will fit it with the others, can play, and is a person of quality in life.....
If he was a sleazy, win at all costs type of coach, he would have taken away a scholarship or two his first year.....
If he was a sleazy, win at all costs type of coach, he would have taken away a scholarship or two his first year.....
okeefe4prez
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No they wouldn't. It would just mean that Kentucky wouldn't be able to sign 5 one and dones per year. The one and dones would still play in the NCAA, but they wouldn't all gravitate to the school with the best bag man, er um, the coach who claims he can best prepare them for the NBA.
Section136
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So who would be willing to sign all these one and dones if they are gonna be on the hook for a scholly for 4 years and only get 1 year of production? 12345's solution is full of holes.
tm3308
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Yeah, because the NCAA just hands those out like candy.
They sure do, much too often.
hawkeye12345
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Why would anyone want to sign them is the better question.
Let's say Kentucky continued to follow their existing practices of signing one and done'ers.
Assume a starting point with a current roster of 3 players in each class (3 Sr, 3 Jr, 3 So, 3 Fr and 1 RS)
Each year that school would have 3 additional scholarships to offer to new incoming players. As 3 Sr's move on, 3 new scholarships open up.
If 2 Fr declared for the draft or left school for other reasons than allowed, Kentucky would still only have 3 scholarships to offer. 2014 roster (next year) would look like this:
3 Sr
3 Jr
2 So (2 FR left but they gained the RS player back)
3 Fr
That leaves KY with 11 scholarship players
Now assume that 2 more FR from the '14 team left early. The '15 team would look like this:
3 Sr
2 JR
1 SO
3 FR
That is 9 scholarship players. The trend would be a self fulfilling prophecy of a program running itself into the ground. The ADs would step in at some point and end the one and done'ers and the coaches that are facilitating it will eventually be run out of town.
Section136
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You are proving my point for me, thanks!
These top HS seniors aint going to Robert Morris or some other small school just to play 1 year in college and bolt for the NBA. They will go to Europe, get paid for a year and then go into the draft. If, as you proclaim, AD's would pretty much forbid their coaches from signing "one and done" type players, it would hurt the college game more than anything else.
You shouldnt have an issue with the college coaches that are working the system to the max, your problem should be with David Stern and the NBA. They could follow the NFL's example and require kids to be 3 years out of high school before they are even eligible to enter the draft.
So you want to punish schools for preparing their student-athletes for their future career? Makes sense.
Sorry,but it is unusual for the school not to honor the signed LOI...in fact,it is not allowed,technically.
Most schools give the recruit the option to be released and check out other schools,but it is very rare for a school to say ''see ya later'' to a kid who signed an LOI in November in good faith. The LOI does not say tubbys name..it says University of Minnesota. ...and now their new representative of their bb program is saying....hit the road,we do not stand behind that U. of Minnesota LOI? I cannot remember this happening in the Big Ten...but now that Pitino and Crean are here...anything goes, I guess.
MeatMan
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could be wrong, but almost 100% certain that Calipuki ran a bunch of players off when he came to Kentucky. and look it up in football, it happens a lot. Oversigning.com
what do you think they do at these SEC schools to make way for their 30 player recruiting class?
hawkeye12345
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Look. You are going to disagree with whatever point that I have, I get it. But to sit back and let the NBA fix the NCAA basketball dilemma is shortsighted at best. I am a firm believer that college needs to be in the business of educating those that desire an education and earn a diploma at the end of 4 (or so) years. That is the sole reason that I would want to implement these rules. It has nothing to do with improving the overall product on the court but rather reduce the number of uneducated thugs that wear school colors.
If a kid goes to college because its a stop gap to get to the NBA then the NCAA needs to step in and create barriers for this to happen. Its an overall societal situation rather than a purely athletic issue.
Every athletic program is doing what it takes to win, almost to a fault. They will not patrol themselves. The NBA won't patrol the NCAA because it sees the NCAA as their own personal D-League. Put the student back in college student-athletes.
However we get there I could care less.
Section136
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I'm not disagreeing with you just to be ***. I'm disagreeing with you because you are wrong.
I hate the one and done as much as anybody but the NCAA is not the one to blame it on. I would love for the NBA to either allow kids to jump from high school again or use the same requirement as the NFL does. That at least makes kids go to class for a solid 2 and a half years and pass in order to keep playing. Hell, with summer classes, most of them could be close to graduating in 3 years.
Right now the ones whose only ambition is to play a year of college and then leave only need to pass their first semester and then they can blow off the 2nd semester of their freshmen year.
Maybe you should start following DII or DIII college basketball if you want to watch kids there for their entire four years of college.
IIRC, Freeman would try to push tempo and move the ball up the court. This went against Lick's wishes and coaching philosophy. Lick basically said you wont play much because you wont play my slow down offense so Freeman did the right thing and transferred.
I think it was really stupid of Lick to not use the best talents of the players he inherited.
Sort of like Rich Rod went he took over for Lloyd Carr at Michigan where he totally junked the I-formation for his spread offense when he didnt really have spread players. RichRod might still be there if he would have used multiple formations to use multiple players talents that first year.
I wish RichRod was still at Mich cause HOke is going to be tougher to beat.
I think it was really stupid of Lick to not use the best talents of the players he inherited.
Sort of like Rich Rod went he took over for Lloyd Carr at Michigan where he totally junked the I-formation for his spread offense when he didnt really have spread players. RichRod might still be there if he would have used multiple formations to use multiple players talents that first year.
I wish RichRod was still at Mich cause HOke is going to be tougher to beat.
My move if I was the NCAA would be to make freshmen ineligible until the one-and-done rule got scrapped. Really I would just want the NBA to make a two year rule. Then I would set up degree programs where students could earn an associates degree after two years in a specialized program for college athletes that would focus on the things they would really need with respect to being professional athletes at any level.
For instance, one class would be about choosing appropriate representation. One class would be on contracts. One class would be about media relations and PR. One class would be about leadership. One class would be about teamwork and organizational culture. One class would be about international relations. One class would be about personal finance. One class would be about investing. One class would be about transition from professional sports into other careers. One class would be about broadcasting, etc.
For instance, one class would be about choosing appropriate representation. One class would be on contracts. One class would be about media relations and PR. One class would be about leadership. One class would be about teamwork and organizational culture. One class would be about international relations. One class would be about personal finance. One class would be about investing. One class would be about transition from professional sports into other careers. One class would be about broadcasting, etc.
