Do you really have to ask this question?
I mean come on.
Dekker is 6'6, a very good athlete, shooting 48% from the field and 42% from behind the 3 point arch.
Dekker is better than Mike G.
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Do you really have to ask this question?
I mean come on.
Dekker is 6'6, a very good athlete, shooting 48% from the field and 42% from behind the 3 point arch.
Dekker is better than Mike G.
SheagleHawk
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I never said Dekker wasn't better, but people on here are acting like Dekker is Jordan and Mikey is Mike Miller or someone equally as terrible. The facts are that Gesell plays on a younger Iowa team with no sr to really lean on and also has to worry about running the offense and getting other guys good looks. Unless you don't think these are factors in production? Mike is avg .1 less pts than dekker, has more than double the assists, double the steals, shoots 10% better from the line, the same amount of blocks, and only a few less rebounds (which is pretty sad). But yeah, Dekker's amazing
I never said Dekker wasn't better, but people on here are acting like Dekker is Jordan and Mikey is Mike Miller or someone equally as terrible. The facts are that Gesell plays on a younger Iowa team with no sr to really lean on and also has to worry about running the offense and getting other guys good looks. Unless you don't think these are factors in production? Mike is avg .1 less pts than dekker, has more than double the assists, double the steals, shoots 10% better from the line, the same amount of blocks, and only a few less rebounds (which is pretty sad). But yeah, Dekker's amazing
I don't think anyone thinks Mike G sucks. Dekker is simply better and he should be on the all frosh team ahead of Mike. I think Dekker is hurt by playing in Bo's system which is not built on scoring a lot of points. I think Dekker is hurt by playing on Bo's team as he doesn't get as many minutes. I think Dekker is hurt by playing on Bo's team as Bo yanks him pretty quickly at times if he makes a mistake. I don't think he has any advantage just from a pure stats based output of playing on Wisconsin. I think he would put up better numbers if he played on the Iowa team.
I never said Dekker wasn't better, but people on here are acting like Dekker is Jordan and Mikey is Mike Miller or someone equally as terrible. The facts are that Gesell plays on a younger Iowa team with no sr to really lean on and also has to worry about running the offense and getting other guys good looks. Unless you don't think these are factors in production? Mike is avg .1 less pts than dekker, has more than double the assists, double the steals, shoots 10% better from the line, the same amount of blocks, and only a few less rebounds (which is pretty sad). But yeah, Dekker's amazing
1. MG is a PG who has the ball in his hand more. He should have more assists.
2. Steals, OK fine. Steals does not mean you are a great defender.
3. Dekker shots more than 10% better from 3 point land than Mike and has more attempts.
4. Blocks, OK fine. Blocks do not mean you are a great defender.
5. Mike seems to go back pretty well to rebound. That is a good skill for a guard to have.
I just think Dekker is a better player. I don't think Dekker is Lebron James and Mike G is Kyle Korver.
Dekker is just a better player I think. They play different positions but I think Dekker has a higher ceiling and is just a better player than Mike G.
SheagleHawk
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SheagleHawk
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The only reason Iowa is scoring a few more points a game than Wisconsin is based on Iowa's poor shooting. Iowa plays at a faster pace but has just not shot as well.
I know Mike is a distributor and I think he has gotten better as the season has went along. It seems like he is getting more comfortable adjusting to bigger stronger players. I like his progress. I actually wish he would look to score more when he is playing PG as I think he has a nice shot. I think his 3 point shooting will improve.
Yes Fran yanks players. Bo is different than Fran in that he seems to want his players to earn their time. There is no doubt in my mind that Dekker should start and should have started early in the year. Fran went with his freshmen where as Bo seems to want to make them earn it. That is where they differ. I think Fran is more of a players coach. He is tough on guys but Bo seems more old school.
Seth53
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Substitute Gesell for GRIII and I completely agree with all of your lists. Well done.
BasketballMan
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Not sure how you can compare a 3 (Dekker) with a point guard (Mikey G). Two totally different players playing totally different positions.
Well I don't think the all freshmen team relies on having to have a certain position fill each spot. I just think Dekker is better than Mike. It doesn't mean I think Mike is bad, but I would chose Dekker before Mike if I were going to start a team.
activebadger
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More of a players coach? How so? I would think if I was a senior that had poured a lot of sweat onto the practice court that I'd want my coach to give me the nod over a freshman with all things being equal. To me that's loyalty and that's being a players coach.
But that isn't what determines playing time under Bo anyway. If you are better then you get the minutes, whether you are a 5th year or a freshman. Josh Gasser was a starter as a freshman and played 30+ minutes a game.
Ryan Evans is frustrating offensively but he's perhaps the best defensive player on Wisconsin and he doesn't give up baskets. Dekker does, regularly. That's why Evans plays over Dekker. Dekker is not a good defender YET. He's getting better but he's not good defensively most likely because he didn't have to defend much in high school. His team needed him to score and not foul. There is more than just the offensive end of the floor.
I REALLY like Iowa's freshman. I don't think they are deserving of 1st team this year but they're right on the cusp and will be heard from before their careers are over.
As for the freshman team, you could make a case for Michigan having 3 guys on it (GRIII, Mcgary and Stauskas) All have been wonderful at times.
I don't think Bo's players don't like him. I think Bo has a solid program base so he can ease a player like Dekker into the line up easier. Eric May is a decent defender, is a senior, is not that great offensively but Fran doesn't start him. Fran has started a Freshmen ahead of May this year.
My point is that I think Bo wants you to earn it where Fran is trying to build the program back up and needs to play the young guys right away as part of growing his recruiting.
With the success Wisconsin has had it's easier to not start a freshmen right away.
activebadger
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I think Fran is starting a freshman for recruiting purposes as well and if I was an upperclassmen it would really upset me.
Wisconsin fans think Dekker should be starting. He shouldn't because he's not as good right now
sportstalent
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So you think May/McCabe should start...go away...Fran starts freshman because they deserve too and every freshman he has started has played better much more often than not.
aaronzuriel
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My question and hope is that they announce the "all" teams the Monday after the regular season and before they all get together in Chicago one last time.
It's quite possible they will diss Marble and White for 2nd/3rd team consideration, Gessel for Frosh all team and May for 6 MAN of the year.
Please allow the Hawkeyes to go into the tourney with NO individual awards nor recognition. The chip on the shoulder and dis respect factor will be perfect and off the charts.
Any thoughts? on second thought I don't care what you think.
It's quite possible they will diss Marble and White for 2nd/3rd team consideration, Gessel for Frosh all team and May for 6 MAN of the year.
Please allow the Hawkeyes to go into the tourney with NO individual awards nor recognition. The chip on the shoulder and dis respect factor will be perfect and off the charts.
Any thoughts? on second thought I don't care what you think.
OUTofTOWNHAWK
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Why are you here then^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
#youmissedthistrolldiesel.
#youmissedthistrolldiesel.
aaronzuriel
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Prolly because I care and because I'm powered by some Wind and Sun... along with being in town and not out of the loop.
OUTofTOWNHAWK
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You said you dont care what we think. So are you practicing using the computer or what?
aaronzuriel
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Ok out of town.. I was being sarcastic and cynical with "any thoughts" followed by a joke and snide comment about a "second thought" and don't care about your thoughts. Of course, I and all of us, for the most part care about other posters thoughts. I was being "cheeky" get it now? sorry about offending you..
