WindsorHawk
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Let's assume Iowa finishes 9-9...gets 6 seed. How do seeds 7 thru 9 fall if Ohio State beats Illinois and Purdue beats Minnesota putting all 3 (IL, PU and MN) at 8-10?
Yet another seeding question...
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hagarwood
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Purdue is 2-1 Illinois is 2-2 and Minnesota is 1-2 against each other so I assume that would make
Purdue -7
Illinois -8
Minnesota -9
I may be wrong, but I think that's the tiebreaker.
WindsorHawk
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I love it. The 2 RPI darlings could go 8-10, finish in a 3 way tie for 7th in the conference, get the 8 and 9 seeds and 1 of them is guaranteed a loss in the 1st round of the BTT. If these assumptions are all correct and this plays out 1 of these teams will finish 8-11 in the Big Ten but is "in" because of what they did in November and December?
I know Iowa played a weak non conference schedule...had to IMO with our youth. I also know we only won 2 road games in conference against the bottom feeders. Minnesota is looking at only winning 1. Yet we were competitive in all but 2 of our conference games and even if we were to lose in the 1st round of the NCAA Tournament it will likely be a game worth watching.
Minnesota could get absolutely embarrassed in a 1st round NCAA game. If they do lose to Purdue and then Illinois they should be headed for the NIT. Setting everything else aside and just comparing Iowa and Minnesota for an at-large bid I think Iowa is clearly the better choice. This is not a prediction just a common sense observation.
BrueCrew3
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If this scenario plays out (Pur/Ill/Minn tying for 7th) then I think the B1G gets only 6 teams in and Iowa is that 6th team. It would be extremely difficult for the committee to choose the 8 and 9 seeds in the BTT and leave out either the 6 or 7. I also think it would mean the end of Tubby in Minnesota.
Just my $.02 .. ..
GO HAWKS!!!
1977Hawkeye
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Does the committee dare defy the almighty RPI? I've seen teams in the 30's get left out, although I would like to see a list. I'm not sure if those particular teams were mid-majors, or if any were from power conferences.
I just don't see that Minnesota should automatically be "in" because of their RPI, or what they did in November/December. Yeah, they beat Indiana recently, but other than that, that's a team that has been absolutely reeling. Your "last 10" has got to mean something..
Body of work does mean something, yes. But I care more about the team you are NOW, than I do the team you were 3 months ago.
volhawk50
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I don't think there's any way. Illinois has gotten enough really good wins, plus they would be playing their last three against Ohio St, Minnesota, and the 1 seed in the tournament if they beat Minnesota, so they couldn't fall very far in the RPI. Minnesota's RPI is too high for them to not make it, not to mention they beat Michigan St, Indiana, and Wisconsin.
WindsorHawk
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Those were all home wins which don't really mean anything based on everything we read and hear about Iowa. Illinois is "in" IMO...probably should be. I think Minnesota moves to the bubble with a loss to Purdue. I think their bubble bursts with a loss in the 1st round of the BTT.
Section136
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Can someone please tell me what exactly needs to happen for Wisky to be the 3 seed? I know what needs to happen for Iowa to get the 6 and play NW in the first round.
k thx bai
k thx bai
WindsorHawk
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If Minnesota doesn't win another game they finish 20-12, 8-10 and 0-1. This would be their last 10 in this scenario.
L @ MSU 50-61
L (H) IL 53-57
W (H) WI 58-53 in OT
L @ IA 51-72
L @ OSU 45-71
W (H) IN 77-73
W (H) PSU 73-44
L @ NE 51-53
L @ PU
L (Neutral) BTT
That's 3-7 with all 3 wins at home and 2 blowout losses on the road...pending Purdue outcome.
L @ MSU 50-61
L (H) IL 53-57
W (H) WI 58-53 in OT
L @ IA 51-72
L @ OSU 45-71
W (H) IN 77-73
W (H) PSU 73-44
L @ NE 51-53
L @ PU
L (Neutral) BTT
That's 3-7 with all 3 wins at home and 2 blowout losses on the road...pending Purdue outcome.
Section136
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Want to get really upset?
If Hollins doesnt drill that 3 with 10 seconds left against the Hawks and the red headed doosh from Wisky doesnt run the baseline out of bounds when he was inbounding to give Minny another chance to force OT the Gophs would be 18-12 (6-11) right now.
volhawk50
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They don't mean nothing. Our Wisconsin win means something to us. A win over Indiana is significant, no matter where it happens. If they lose to Purdue and beat Illinois in round 1, are they safe? RPI should stay in the 20's in that situation, no doubt.
WindsorHawk
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Oh I know. This is yet another reason not to use some tool (RPI) that favors games from 3 months ago.
bcl20
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Why wouldn't you want to take into consideration games from three months ago? All games from the same season should be weight equally considering the tournament is comprised of all those that qualify from the season, not just the last month or so.
What I'm saying is, the RPI sucks but that's not why.
What I'm saying is, the RPI sucks but that's not why.
WindsorHawk
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I want the best tournament possible with the best teams. Teams that are clearly not what they used to be and playing bad basketball should not be rewarded with a bid. Again, I won't take Minnesota to win a game in my brackets...don't even have to see the opponent.
Also, what's the point of having conferences? What's the point of playing conference games? Why look at the last 10 games? Ignore the fact that Kentucky lost their best player for the season and can't compete.
I'm not trying to rail on you here. I'm attempting to answer your question.
1977Hawkeye
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Exactly the way I see it. Body of work counts for something, yes, and it should. But I care far more about the team you are NOW, than the team you WERE 3-4 months ago. If you racked up some big wins in the first half of the season, but fall apart the second half of the season, well.. It tells me you are not the same team that you were. Are you still an NCAA quality team? It's a 30 (give or take) game season.
WindsorHawk
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We really have to get on the Selection Committee. Where do we sign up to make things right?
1977Hawkeye
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I would LOVE to do that. Or to even be in the room that final weekend of the year would be fascinating. I bet it gets pretty heated in there at times when arguing over the last few bubble teams...
Rlesterfan
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I think Minnesota is in trouble if they lose there next 2. I know they have a great RPI, but it may not be enough the way they are playing currently.