patmyne
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Pac-12 head of officials investigated for targeting Arizona's Sean Miller - CBSSports.com
Joking or not, it makes you wonder wtf really goes on...
Joking or not, it makes you wonder wtf really goes on...
Yeah refs are perfect
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hawkfan8691
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The radio this morning listed the refs for the Final 4 and they're all east coast refs except for one from Colorado. I'd wager this is the reason
hawkeyebob62
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And people come on here and say "Another ref complaint...get over it!"
As if corruption is limited to SEC boosters/coaches/schools...
LawVHawk
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Whar Duffmod? I'm holding off commenting because what I don't know about basketball officiating would fill a ****ing boat, or something...
deanvogs
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Why would anyone assume that officials aren't normal people? Some people are spiteful and hateful and hold grudges, so it only makes sense that these people also officiate. This doesn't surprise me one bit, and it is actually easy to see refs who do this. Do you think it is easier to T up someone who you respect as a coach and never had a problem with? Or might is be easier to T them up if you hate them, and think they are a d0uche?
kicker22
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While I agree with most of this, the fact is it's still on the coach as much as the official. The coach isn't stupid and most likely has a pretty good idea who has it out for them based on previous encounters and needs to realize that in the way he addresses the situation come game day. In Fran's case, if a coach truly has it out for him, I wouldn't play the scream at them until red in the face card. Not a recipe for success. While it's definitely easier to T'up a coach that a ref has it in for, they still need the coach to do his part take the bait and get T'd up.
kicker22
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I should note that in the above thread I wasn't specifically referring to the situation in which Miller was involved. That issue definitely needs to be addressed, whether taking his comments out of context or not. Regardless of the extent in which he said it, it was very inappropriate for an officials meeting and he should be punished for it.
LawVHawk
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Ed Rush was known as sort of a bigger than life blow-hard as an NBA ref, and it is hard to believe that he could change his referee stripes that much becoming head of officials for a college athletic conference. I would be 98 percent certain that his offer of $5,000 or a trip to Cancun to "run" the Arizona coach was made in jest and not serious. Further, you would need to know the context. You know that behind closed doors referees make comments about the various coaches (and players) they work with, and it would not be at all surprising if some comments were being made about Sean Miller and his sideline antics. Did the conference want the referees to put a lid on all behavior from the benches during the conference tournament? Very likely it did, as likely all conferences ask their officials to do.
However, what tone did Rush set for his officials heading into the Pac-12 tournament with his poor comments, whether made in jest or not? Did that contribute to Michael Irving to give a T to Miller, apparently a rarity for Irving and for Miller? Legitimate questions, and Rush clearly should not have made the comments.
However, what tone did Rush set for his officials heading into the Pac-12 tournament with his poor comments, whether made in jest or not? Did that contribute to Michael Irving to give a T to Miller, apparently a rarity for Irving and for Miller? Legitimate questions, and Rush clearly should not have made the comments.
chadfrey
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Dead on. I used to do some officiating, and officials talk about coaches. Truth is, when an official walks on the floor or field — even if it is the first time with a team or coach on the sideline they have never worked with — that team and coach has a reputation. A previous poster wrote about how hard/easy it is to T-up or run a guy based on previous experience. That's also dead on. Refs are human beings. If they have had trouble before, it can be hard for them to "wipe the slate clean" the next go round. The same is true for coaches and their dealing with officials. Officials develop a rep with coaches and sidelines as well. I know very well that in some towns in these parts, I'm known as a nice guy you can work with until the game, and will take time to explain things during and after the game if approached calmly, but would kick his own mother out of the game for being a hotheaded jerk. That is very intentional — I set that tone in early games. if you have a rep as not taking any malarky, you don't take as much because the smart coaches keep it buttoned up and only yell and scream about really, truly controversial calls and plays (and refs expect that, BTW). Those smart coaches talk with their opponents too. I've heard "hey, be careful with this guy. He'll run you pretty quick" during pregames.
I am not defending what Rush said — even in jest it should have never been said. No good can come from what he said in any setting — he really set up the officiating crews for scandal and accusations by doing so. He should be dealt with harshly by the conference. I do think it's important for folks to get a glimpse into the mind of a ref.
Here is the deal. Very few Big Ten refs have drawn assignments in the NCAA tourny because they are analyzed and graded all season by NCAA officials head John Adams. Big Ten refs do not make the cut,for a reason...they stink. Delany has to take note and have the Big Ten find new refs,preferably ones that do make the NCAA cut,from smaller midwest leagues...like the MVC. Time for new blood,Jimbo!
MisterLucky
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This is evidenced by the officiating we've seen in the NIT. No Big Ten Refs = Better called games with a minimum of ******** by either coach or fan base. This has been a long term problem with this league and Delaney, for all his bright ideas, has yet to seriously address this.
hawkeyebob62
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<<He should be dealt with harshly by the conference>>
Firing him would take care of that.
kicker22
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Honest question, but in college do the coaches submit reports to the league critiquing officials as they do in high school sports? Honest question. I know in Iowa at least (for soccer) the officials selected for the state tournament are selected based off of coaches recommendations in which each school is required to select 5 officials that they feel are worthy of consideration.
While I realize there are more politics involved and each conference has their own regulations, I think this greatly helps to keep the egos in check as the officials are able to critique the coaches and coaches can do like wise. While the overall quality may not be up to par or a coaches standards the fact is that I think it truly helps keeping the egos of the officials in check and while there may be bad blood between the two it helps create a more professional atmosphere on gamedays.
While I realize there are more politics involved and each conference has their own regulations, I think this greatly helps to keep the egos in check as the officials are able to critique the coaches and coaches can do like wise. While the overall quality may not be up to par or a coaches standards the fact is that I think it truly helps keeping the egos of the officials in check and while there may be bad blood between the two it helps create a more professional atmosphere on gamedays.
