Would Chris Collins leave Duke?

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Justin VanLaere
Seems like he's been there forever? Any chance he'd leave to become a head coach? The problem with that is the lack of experience in a head coaching position.
 
The only reason I can think of that he wouldn't is if he has a deal with Coach K that he will be the next HC when K hangs it up. However, I doubt that. All indications are that K will be at it for the foreseeable future. Collins is 35 or 36. He's had enough experience to be a candidate for a HC job. Duke does not have that much money that they can pay him like a HC. (Small arena, no cash cow football program, conference revenue sharing.) If he had to wait several years to become HC at Duke he would be sacrificing a lot in terms of potential earnings in the meantime.

There are also a lot of other guys groomed by Coach K who would like to have a shot at that job, so that's another reason I doubt a deal is in place for Collins.

Collins has Midwest roots and almost became a Hawkeye as a player. I don't know that he'd be interested in this job, but I do think he'd leave Duke to become a HC somewhere.
 
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I don't want to talk about any other coaching possiblities until Pearl has filed charges against Barta for harassment and has a no contact order against him.
 
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About the lack of experience as a HC--unless we can get a Pearl or someone else of similar stature, I don't think we should limit ourselves to current HC's. There are some great assistants out there and Collins is one of them. He knows how to recruit and run a program.

I e-mailed Barta about Collins the other day, so I feel confident that Barta's current list is something like this:

1. Pearl.
2. Bill Self.
3. Chris Collins.
4. Keno Davis.

:p
 
koolhandlick said:
Auburn -Boisie St.- St. Johns- and DePeul are all open but he is waiting for a plum job.
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He could be, but Iowa is a better job than all of those you listed, and it's really tough for any assistant to be considered for one of the really top echelon jobs in the nation. Iowa might not be one of those jobs under the best of circumstances, but it definitely isn't right now. I'd say a job like Iowa is about the best Collins could reasonably expect to be considered for as a first head coaching job.
 
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Have any of the ex Dukies/Coack K disciples ever done much as HCs? I only remember Quin the sleazeball in Mizzou and Tommy Amaker's adventure in Ann Arbor, neither very good.
 
This from the ESPN page on coaching trees. I took out the assistants to coaches who played or coached with Coach K.

Coaching trees of Jim Calhoun, Tom Izzo, Mike Krzyzewski, Mike Montgomery, Rick Pitino, Gary Williams - ESPN

Mike Krzyzewski, Duke; former head coach, Army

- Tommy Amaker (asst., Duke 1988-97, played at Duke) Head coach, Harvard; former head coach, Michigan, Seton Hall
- Mike Brey, Notre Dame (asst., Duke 1987-95) Head coach, Notre Dame; former head coach, Delaware
- Robert Brickey (played at Duke) Former head coach, Shaw
- Jeff Capel (played at Duke) Head coach, Oklahoma
- Johnny Dawkins (asst., Duke, 1998-08, played at Duke) Head coach, Stanford
- Mike Dement (asst., Duke, 1982-83) Head coach, UNC-Greensboro; former head coach, Cornell, SMU
- David Henderson (asst., Duke, 1997-00) Former head coach, Delaware
- Quin Snyder (asst., Duke 1993-99; played at Duke ) Former head coach, Missouri
 
Collins would be an extremely bad hire. Duke players and coaches typically do not make it outside of Duke.

# 1 Pearl (i don't think it makes sense financially)
# 2 Scott Drew (has the total pkg and if you can revive Baylor you can revive any program)
# 3 Keano Davis (would bring an exciting style)
# 4 Mark Turgeon (not sure he'd be interested but worth a call)
 
SpecialKHawk said:
Collins would be an extremely bad hire. Duke players and coaches typically do not make it outside of Duke.
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This is absolutely one of the dumbest arguments imaginable and most of the people who make it don't even have the facts straight, but I can only do so much to right the wrongs of the world. :)
 
woodyk1 said:
This from the ESPN page on coaching trees. I took out the assistants to coaches who played or coached with Coach K.

Coaching trees of Jim Calhoun, Tom Izzo, Mike Krzyzewski, Mike Montgomery, Rick Pitino, Gary Williams - ESPN

Mike Krzyzewski, Duke; former head coach, Army

- Tommy Amaker (asst., Duke 1988-97, played at Duke) Head coach, Harvard; former head coach, Michigan, Seton Hall
- Mike Brey, Notre Dame (asst., Duke 1987-95) Head coach, Notre Dame; former head coach, Delaware
- Robert Brickey (played at Duke) Former head coach, Shaw
- Jeff Capel (played at Duke) Head coach, Oklahoma
- Johnny Dawkins (asst., Duke, 1998-08, played at Duke) Head coach, Stanford
- Mike Dement (asst., Duke, 1982-83) Head coach, UNC-Greensboro; former head coach, Cornell, SMU
- David Henderson (asst., Duke, 1997-00) Former head coach, Delaware
- Quin Snyder (asst., Duke 1993-99; played at Duke ) Former head coach, Missouri
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Oh, what the hell:

Amaker was a success at Seton Hall before he took the Michigan job. No one has succeeded at Michigan since Fisher, and that includes the current guy who went to the Elite Eight and Sweet Sixteen in his five seasons at WVa.

Snyder was a success at Missouri until he melted down for what amounted to character/compliance issues. (So does that mean all Duke guys are cheats as well? The quality of that logic is the same as the premise that one assistant will fail because some others are perceived to have failed.) Snyder took Mizzou to an Elite Eight and several other NCAA appearances.

Brey has been a success by any definition at both Delaware and Notre Dame.

Dawkins is only in his second year at Stanford. How the heck can anyone evaluate him at this point? I'll tell you what though--if we could get him, I'd take him in a heartbeat over most of the coaches who are being mentioned for Iowa right now.

Capel really doesn't belong on this list. He was a Duke player, but not an assistant. His primary mentor as a coach was his father, the longtime coach at ODU. But if Capel is on the list, he's been a big success thus far: Elite Eight last season.

Henderson and Dement were not on the Duke staff very long, and Brickey never was. Most of you who repeat this stupid argument probably don't even know their names, let alone their coaching records.
 
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woodyk1 said:
This from the ESPN page on coaching trees. I took out the assistants to coaches who played or coached with Coach K.

Coaching trees of Jim Calhoun, Tom Izzo, Mike Krzyzewski, Mike Montgomery, Rick Pitino, Gary Williams - ESPN

Mike Krzyzewski, Duke; former head coach, Army

- Tommy Amaker (asst., Duke 1988-97, played at Duke) Head coach, Harvard; former head coach, Michigan, Seton Hall
- Mike Brey, Notre Dame (asst., Duke 1987-95) Head coach, Notre Dame; former head coach, Delaware
- Robert Brickey (played at Duke) Former head coach, Shaw
- Jeff Capel (played at Duke) Head coach, Oklahoma
- Johnny Dawkins (asst., Duke, 1998-08, played at Duke) Head coach, Stanford
- Mike Dement (asst., Duke, 1982-83) Head coach, UNC-Greensboro; former head coach, Cornell, SMU
- David Henderson (asst., Duke, 1997-00) Former head coach, Delaware
- Quin Snyder (asst., Duke 1993-99; played at Duke ) Former head coach, Missouri
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Clearly Quin Snyder had the most successful hair out of everyone on that list
 
FreddyBrown said:
Oh, what the hell:

Amaker was a success at Seton Hall before he took the Michigan job. No one has succeeded at Michigan since Fisher, and that includes the current guy who had a Final Four team at WVa.

Snyder was a success at Missouri until he melted down for what amounted to character/compliance issues. (So does that mean all Duke guys are cheats as well? The quality of that logic is the same as the premise that one assistant will fail because some others are perceived to have failed.) Snyder took Mizzou to an Elite Eight and several other NCAA appearances.

Brey has been a success by any definition at both Delaware and Notre Dame.

Dawkins is only in his second year at Stanford. How the heck can anyone evaluate him at this point? I'll tell you what though--if we could get him, I'd take him in a heartbeat over most of the coaches who are being mentioned for Iowa right now.

Capel really doesn't belong on this list. He was a Duke player, but not an assistant. His primary mentor as a coach was his father, the longtime coach at ODU. But if Capel is on the list, he's been a big success thus far: Final Four last season.

Henderson and Dement were not on the Duke staff very long, and Brickey never was. Most of you who repeat this stupid argument probably don't even know their names, let alone their coaching records.
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If this is your list of post Duke success I guess your right. You really have your facts straight and I am terribly mistaken ;)
 
FreddyBrown said:
Oh, what the hell:

Amaker was a success at Seton Hall before he took the Michigan job. No one has succeeded at Michigan since Fisher, and that includes the current guy who had a Final Four team at WVa.

Snyder was a success at Missouri until he melted down for what amounted to character/compliance issues. (So does that mean all Duke guys are cheats as well? The quality of that logic is the same as the premise that one assistant will fail because some others are perceived to have failed.) Snyder took Mizzou to an Elite Eight and several other NCAA appearances.

Brey has been a success by any definition at both Delaware and Notre Dame.

Dawkins is only in his second year at Stanford. How the heck can anyone evaluate him at this point? I'll tell you what though--if we could get him, I'd take him in a heartbeat over most of the coaches who are being mentioned for Iowa right now.

Capel really doesn't belong on this list. He was a Duke player, but not an assistant. His primary mentor as a coach was his father, the longtime coach at ODU. But if Capel is on the list, he's been a big success thus far: Final Four last season.

Henderson and Dement were not on the Duke staff very long, and Brickey never was. Most of you who repeat this stupid argument probably don't even know their names, let alone their coaching records.
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We clearly have different definitions of the final four. Beilien never took West Virginia to a final four, nor did Capel take Oklahoma to the final four last season. Also, Beilien won more NCAA tournament games in his first two season at Michigan than Amaker did in six seasons. Snyder was not a success at Missouri, he ran that program into the ground. He never lost less than 11 games and aside from one fluke elite eight run as 12 seed he didn't have much any NCAA success either. And Dawkins has done nothing at Stanford to lead me to believe he will be successful either.
 
You'll get no arguments on the hair-do from me :) Syndor had it going.

If Chris Collins is our next hire we are doomed for the next 5-10 years. Much better candidates exist. The Duke rules don't apply in other conferences that's he and Wo-Jo are languishing on the coaching bench.

Brey has done a solid job so I'll give you that one.
 
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