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kchawknut

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Soft - Yes
Uthoff disappeared - Yes
Gessell struggled - Yes
Not Fran's best coaching effort - Yes

...however...I am using my first post here to officially announce I am done with Woodbury :mad:(I know I know...nothing we haven't heard before). In fact, I was done with him at HT, and was shocked to see he had 10 pts., so I looked up his stat line:

STARTERSMINFGM-A3PM-AFTM-AOREBDREBREBASTSTLBLKTOPFPTS
Adam Woodbury, C355-90-02-21451013312

which is proof stats can/do LIE! I don't know who was keeping stats, but Woody had 3 TO in a 5-10 min span in the first half alone. Woody is capital T-errible.

What the stat line doesn't show:
- foul(s) that led to points in the last 2 minutes...couldn't close out on Thomas, gave him baseline, then climbed his back...all in 5 feet of court space!
- getting out hustled by quicker smaller guys...um all game long!
- 0 intimidation when coming into the lane...what is a big guy good for on D if he can't control the lane against a team with little inside presence?
- liability on offense...all he can do is set screens, miss a couple bunnies, and score when his man leaves him...oh yeah and have TOs without charging as he attempts a single post move.
- TOs others commit because Woody isn't strong and coordinated enough to be a viable/reliable pass option...in the last minute Clement and Uthoff were both forced to pass to him as a last second option to avoid a 5 sec call...2 TOs that would likely not happen with any other player!

I was shocked Fran stuck with Woody on the press out of bounds plays...why...what does he bring to the table?

In the end, it all doesn't matter, because unlike football, you can lose some games and still make the playoffs...and, playoffs are all that matter!

Ah...now I feel better.
 




Clemons and Uthoffs loss of composure and turnovers in the press inbounds are what lost the game.

Those two back to back turnovers where the nail and coffin.
 


Fran had to of promised Woody he would start at Iowa the moment he stepped onto campus, if he signed with the Hawks. Seriously there is absolutely no other excuse for why he has started 114 out of 115 games at Iowa. Oh and yes I've heard the comment it really don't matter who starts that don't mean a thing ahh BS to that. When you don't deserve to start you shouldn't start!!!!
 


The biggest problem I had last night was it was beyond obvious that there was no way Woody was going to keep up with or slow down McKay. Wagner may lack size and experience but could have been used down the stretch when it became clear they were going to try to run on us or go to the perimeter. I've also made my opinion known that I see no reason why he should touch the ball outside the paint.
 




We're up 4 instead of 14 at the half without Woodbury. Remove Woodbury and the NCAA is off the table this year IMO.
 




tksirius said:
When 4 seniors and a junior can't effectively run an inbounds play, I'm not so sure we'll make the NCAA tourney.
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I'm very confident we will. And I'm equally confident we won't without Woodbury. I do agree that not being able to in bound the ball at the end of the game was an obvious problem. The really confusing part is not calling timeout and running the play that has worked every time we have run it. Gesell jumps out of bounds and Uthoff passes him the ball, steps in bounds and immediately receives the return pass. This was my favorite play against a full court press when I coached...always works.
 


WindsorHawk said:
We're up 4 instead of 14 at the half without Woodbury. Remove Woodbury and the NCAA is off the table this year IMO.
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So much LAUGHY with this comment are you BEING SERIOUS or you slip and hit your head this morning???? Hahaha, unreal.. Wow!

Hey genius WE DOWN 16 points and score only 19 points at the half without UTHOFF.. Now I will wait for that counter on how valuable Woody is to the NCAA hopes of this team.. Give me a break!
 


WindsorHawk said:
We're up 4 instead of 14 at the half without Woodbury. Remove Woodbury and the NCAA is off the table this year IMO.
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But in the first Woody was not the focal point what so ever and got good looks in the paint while Uthoff made it rain. Woody became completely ineffective when the game became a track meet and it became about fast break points and the three ball. He had a decent half but was lost the second half. If we're going to play that game how many points was he responsible for giving up because I'm pretty sure McKay took his lunch money and made look silly.
 


kicker22 said:
But in the first Woody was not the focal point what so ever and got good looks in the paint while Uthoff made it rain. Woody became completely ineffective when the game became a track meet and it became about fast break points and the three ball. He had a decent half but was lost the second half. If we're going to play that game how many points was he responsible for giving up because I'm pretty sure McKay took his lunch money and made look silly.
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If Iowa is going to be making it to the Dance they will need to be an uptempo team that's fact, end of story!!
 


kicker22 said:
But in the first Woody was not the focal point what so ever and got good looks in the paint while Uthoff made it rain. Woody became completely ineffective when the game became a track meet and it became about fast break points and the three ball. He had a decent half but was lost the second half. If we're going to play that game how many points was he responsible for giving up because I'm pretty sure McKay took his lunch money and made look silly.
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I have no idea why you quoted me. Your comment and my comment are completely unrelated. I said we won't make the NCAA without Woodbury and that we would have been up 4 at the half instead of 14 without Woodbury's 10 points. I stand by what I said.
 


IF we make the tourney, it will be inspite of Woodbury. And Gesell. Man, for 4 year starters, those two are absolutely atrocious. Once a game gets tight, those fools turn into a couple turnover machines.
 




kchawknut said:
Soft - Yes
Uthoff disappeared - Yes
Gessell struggled - Yes
Not Fran's best coaching effort - Yes

...however...I am using my first post here to officially announce I am done with Woodbury :mad:(I know I know...nothing we haven't heard before). In fact, I was done with him at HT, and was shocked to see he had 10 pts., so I looked up his stat line:

STARTERSMINFGM-A3PM-AFTM-AOREBDREBREBASTSTLBLKTOPFPTS
Adam Woodbury, C355-90-02-21451013312

which is proof stats can/do LIE! I don't know who was keeping stats, but Woody had 3 TO in a 5-10 min span in the first half alone. Woody is capital T-errible.

What the stat line doesn't show:
- foul(s) that led to points in the last 2 minutes...couldn't close out on Thomas, gave him baseline, then climbed his back...all in 5 feet of court space!
- getting out hustled by quicker smaller guys...um all game long!
- 0 intimidation when coming into the lane...what is a big guy good for on D if he can't control the lane against a team with little inside presence?
- liability on offense...all he can do is set screens, miss a couple bunnies, and score when his man leaves him...oh yeah and have TOs without charging as he attempts a single post move.
- TOs others commit because Woody isn't strong and coordinated enough to be a viable/reliable pass option...in the last minute Clement and Uthoff were both forced to pass to him as a last second option to avoid a 5 sec call...2 TOs that would likely not happen with any other player!

I was shocked Fran stuck with Woody on the press out of bounds plays...why...what does he bring to the table?

In the end, it all doesn't matter, because unlike football, you can lose some games and still make the playoffs...and, playoffs are all that matter!

Ah...now I feel better.
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Typical Woody has played very very well this year, all it took was 1 game for the BIG IDIOTS to come out in full force to knock on him, how about you guys go grow up already.
 


I find this thread a riot, you think Goose and Woody are brothers in arm against Hawkeyes. just because theyre from western part of Iowa and eastern part of Nebraska. You have a lot of growing up to do....
 


I think the consensus is that it isn't about how we did better or worse with Woody, it's about that we could let any 7' freshman stand under the basket and get 5 rebounds.

Yes, he had 12 points by standing under the basket, but the guy just is not intimidating in the least. Do we need a big guy under the basket? Yes! Is Woody all we have with any experience at all? Who else is gonna be intimidating under the basket?

The only reason we were in the game at all was because Uthoff stepped up. Do we have some excellent players? Yes, but no one else is consistent.
 


I am not a Woody fan in the slightest but thought he played fine last night outside of a couple turnovers. The difference in the game was that AC and MG. Sometimes I honestly wonder if AC can dribble, and MG's choke jobs have been well documented. People who don't understand basketball always bash Woody because he is uncoordinated. I for one remember the days when 6'7 Zach McCabe was guarding 7'0 Miles Leanard... and it wasn't pretty.

Move along.
 




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