Will the Offense Change?
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Cover3
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With Ken.
Without....
I agree. Same base scheme with a few new sprinkles.
hawkeyeguy85
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To hell with sprinkles.
Even if we go from vanilla just to New York vanilla I'd be moderately happy.
HawkeyeMcNutt
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Philosophically, no. Maybe a few little things change, an the system may be run more effectively.
MoseSchrute
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NEIN!!!!
But maybe someone can be a more effective playcaller within that offense.
But maybe someone can be a more effective playcaller within that offense.
aeischeid
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I'd be happy with New York. Hell of a lot better than French....
tm3308
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This is what I'm expecting, which is more than good enough for me.
HawkPhreek
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Can't be worse in some areas for sure
SpecialKHawk
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Will run under the same offensive parameters established by Kirk...
But my hope is....
1. A few new wrinkles
2. Better in-game decision making -> stick with what is working, scrap what is not (forcing an opponent to stop you - instead of trying to do a mix of everything)
3. Better late game clock management
4. A two minute offense
5. No more goofy personnel groupings in late game situations (walk-on RB, double tight-ends in two minute offense, etc.)
6. QB in the shotgun in obvious passing situations (QB under center with no RB's ?)
But my hope is....
1. A few new wrinkles
2. Better in-game decision making -> stick with what is working, scrap what is not (forcing an opponent to stop you - instead of trying to do a mix of everything)
3. Better late game clock management
4. A two minute offense
5. No more goofy personnel groupings in late game situations (walk-on RB, double tight-ends in two minute offense, etc.)
6. QB in the shotgun in obvious passing situations (QB under center with no RB's ?)
aeischeid
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Is it sad that we have to hope for these things to be standards?
i have come up with 2 things i really want to see from the new oc. these are the 2 things i believe held us back the most. kok in my opinion was a good teacher, developer of talent, and gameplanner. but he was very pedestrian in is gameday play calling and personnel groupings. i believe better gameday playcalling (basically more consistent) and more personnel groups. the personnel groupings is my main one as i think the offense is fine. things like a speed personnel group that has your 4 fastest wrs in it even if that means you take out your top wr. or a personnel group where cjf is split out like a wr. since our formations and motions dont give a lot of match up problems lets use our personnel in different ways. we have a gronkowski type te. use him like such.
HawkeyeGold
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Kok got a lot of heat....I'm just worried that our offenses conservative approach is more KF than Kok
iahawks912
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It absolutely is KF
aeischeid
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Why don't more understand this????
HomerChampless
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They are Norm Parker lovers. Ya know, I'd think those guys (JM included) would be more of a Hawkeye lover.
MoseSchrute
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What the hell does Norm Parker have to do with this discussion? I think it just shows that you are a Norm Parker hater.
I agree with this list and add to it running play action late in a game when the running game hasnt been working very much.
But especially #2 above, find your plays and formations/packages that work and use them, discard what isnt working and then when the defense changes already have a new set of plays to counter with to exploit the defense.
Too many times when the hawks were running very well KOK would call these 3 pass plays just because he has receivers. And many times it didnt work unless that first down throw was a very high percentage pass for more than 2 yards.
