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[CP87]

Such as "alternative facts"?

Successful people/organizations typically focus most of their efforts on evaluating the processes that lead to results, not the results themselves. The processes are in your control, whereas results are often heavily influenced by factors outside of your control. If you overreact to results without considering the process that led you there, you can easily make ill-advised decisions.

That is just speaking generally. I will let each make their own decision regarding whether or not Iowa football has successfully managed the processes that are important to success in college football.

 

[BigD]

I disagree. Wisconsin is obviously consistently pretty good. No harm in finishing second behind them. Nebraska is a traditional power and there are plenty of years once they stabilize that we will finish behind them. And for all the talk about Ferentz finding diamonds in the rough during recruiting, Fitz is honestly a million times better at it than Ferentz and he is dealing with much higher academic standards. If we're being objective, Fitz is seriously the best coach in the Big Ten and he will have Ferentz's number close to half the time and will likely beat Ferentz 8 times out of 10 when the teams are relatively equal. I'm not saying NU is a better program by any stretch and their down years are really, really bad, but when they have up years with a good QB, they almost always seem to find the top 25. When we have an average or down year, we just aren't a top 25 team so some years they are going to be ahead of Iowa as well. Furthermore, when we draw a murderers row schedule out of the east, we're gonna be at least 2 games down to some of the teams in the west and that is not an easy hurdle to overcome.

Ok “EVER” was meant over the past let’s say eight or so years since Nebraska has been down. I mentioned Nebraska possible changing everything depending on whether their coach rebuilds the program to when it used to be a power house.

Also I am not excluding that there should be years in which we finish ahead of Wisconsin. There is no reason why we shouldn’t outside of poor recruiting and poor coaching. In those years we still could finish in second place and be ahead of Wisconsin, especially if Nebraska rebounds their program to what it used to be.

I agree with pretty much everything you said in your post. So “EVER” was a bit strong but it’s out of frustration to being down wind of Wisconsin. A team we totally owned under Fry. Like I said Kirk could do some serious fence mending by winning the division this upcoming season. Another third place finish in our own division isn’t going to cut it with too many fans except a few.

Other than Stanley having more experience this upcoming season I don’t see it being much different with the exception of a little easier schedule. This will be especially true if Brian doesn’t change things up. If we run the same boring “run it through seven or eight guys in the box” offense then we can just about expect similar results. “Groundhog Day” all over again.

 

[Ree4]

Successful people/organizations typically focus most of their efforts on evaluating the processes that lead to results, not the results themselves. The processes are in your control, whereas results are often heavily influenced by factors outside of your control. If you overreact to results without considering the process that led you there, you can easily make ill-advised decisions.

That is just speaking generally. I will let each make their own decision regarding whether or not Iowa football has successfully managed the processes that are important to success in college football.

Thank you for saving me time to explain.

 

[BigD]

No kidding. So we finished 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in the B1G west over the last 3 years. We have 28 total wins over the last 3 years, good for 12th best of all P5 teams. Yet people say we are trending downward, and it is unacceptable that 1 year we finished in 3rd in the B1G west.

No kidding. So we finished 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in the B1G west over the last 3 years. We have 28 total wins over the last 3 years, good for 12th best of all P5 teams. Yet people say we are trending downward, and it is unacceptable that 1 year we finished in 3rd in the B1G west.

Actually during the regular season we finished fourth in the West behind Purdue because they beat us. First place, second place, and fourth place is not trending up that’s trending down.

If you want to argue that we had a tougher schedule this past year you can do that. However you would have to equally admit the previous two schedules before that were very favorable.

IOWA HATER............... your funny. I am the one who has consistently stated that Iowa is better than this and that they CAN do better.

 

[eledmonster]

The OP?

Please stop with clown porn...

 

[okeefe4prez]

Ok “EVER” was meant over the past let’s say eight or so years since Nebraska has been down. I mentioned Nebraska possible changing everything depending on whether their coach rebuilds the program to when it used to be a power house.

Also I am not excluding that there should be years in which we finish ahead of Wisconsin. There is no reason why we shouldn’t outside of poor recruiting and poor coaching. In those years we still could finish in second place and be ahead of Wisconsin, especially if Nebraska rebounds their program to what it used to be.

I agree with pretty much everything you said in your post. So “EVER” was a bit strong but it’s out of frustration to being down wind of Wisconsin. A team we totally owned under Fry. Like I said Kirk could do some serious fence mending by winning the division this upcoming season. Another third place finish in our own division isn’t going to cut it with too many fans except a few.

Other than Stanley having more experience this upcoming season I don’t see it being much different with the exception of a little easier schedule. This will be especially true if Brian doesn’t change things up. If we run the same boring “run it through seven or eight guys in the box” offense then we can just about expect similar results. “Groundhog Day” all over again.

Thorson's knee is hamburger and the 'Cats lost a lot of guys. Purdue will be the only team that could possibly challenge us for second. Not sure we'll be better than Wisconsin, but we should be first or second on our side. I think Nebraska needs some work and Minnesota and Illinois are hopeless.

This year's offense was just despicable in several games. I think it was because of the freshman tackles and I think the offense will make a quantum leap this year. The defense will have some big losses to fill, unfortunately.

 

[okeefe4prez]

Actually during the regular season we finished fourth in the West behind Purdue because they beat us. First place, second place, and fourth place is not trending up that’s trending down.

If you want to argue that we had a tougher schedule this past year you can do that. However you would have to equally admit the previous two schedules before that were very favorable.

IOWA HATER............... your funny. I am the one who has consistently stated that Iowa is better than this and that they CAN do better.

Look, bud, the margin of victory is pretty small in our division because even the good teams are kind of crappy. Sure, I was there and it felt like a mix between a miracle and a fluke, but any time I watch Iowa beat OSU by 31 points I can't say we are trending down.

A couple of plays break our way against Purdue and NU and we're sitting on 9 wins in the regular season, but that's how close the margin of error is among average teams on our side. Hell, add a fingernail tipping that last pass in the PSU game and we're at 10 wins in the regular season. I just can't subscribe to the theory that an Iowa team that beat the #5 team in the country, lost to the #7 team in the country on the last play and lost on the road to the #8, 15 and 17 (in OT) teams is trending down. We have had a couple of outlier teams in terms of talent that were legitimately great teams, but for the most part the difference between 6 and 10 wins for Iowa football is a bounce here or there or about a handful of big plays that either break our way or don't over the course of a season. This is our identity and it has been for a long time.

 

[EstronHawkKing]

Please stop with clown porn...

 

[BigD]

Look, bud, the margin of victory is pretty small in our division because even the good teams are kind of crappy. Sure, I was there and it felt like a mix between a miracle and a fluke, but any time I watch Iowa beat OSU by 31 points I can't say we are trending down.

A couple of plays break our way against Purdue and NU and we're sitting on 9 wins in the regular season, but that's how close the margin of error is among average teams on our side. Hell, add a fingernail tipping that last pass in the PSU game and we're at 10 wins in the regular season. I just can't subscribe to the theory that an Iowa team that beat the #5 team in the country, lost to the #7 team in the country on the last play and lost on the road to the #8, 15 and 17 (in OT) teams is trending down. We have had a couple of outlier teams in terms of talent that were legitimately great teams, but for the most part the difference between 6 and 10 wins for Iowa football is a bounce here or there or about a handful of big plays that either break our way or don't over the course of a season. This is our identity and it has been for a long time.

They need to prove it by carrying momentum from the Ohio State win into next season other wise it was a flat Ohio State team playing a nothing to lose Iowa team. We have all seen how much Iowa State likes to do this to us. Also it was like Brian was possessed that game. Mixing it up, throwing the ball more. WHY didn’t they learn from that came and carry it forward into the Purdue game?

It really is a game of inches and the ball bouncing one way or the other. I am sure Wisconsin could have said that when they got first and goal on the three yard line after running through our defensive line like a hot knife threw butter. We were done at that point. The bad shut down are offense on the last theee offensive possessions. Thank god for the offensive lineman stepping on the quarterbacks foot and causing the fumble. It was just as bad of the freak interception by MSU as the loose ball just laid there on the tight ends back.

 

[BEATHARDTEAMS]

They need to prove it by carrying momentum from the Ohio State win into next season other wise it was a flat Ohio State team playing a nothing to lose Iowa team. We have all seen how much Iowa State likes to do this to us. Also it was like Brian was possessed that game. Mixing it up, throwing the ball more. WHY didn’t they learn from that came and carry it forward into the Purdue game?

It really is a game of inches and the ball bouncing one way or the other. I am sure Wisconsin could have said that when they got first and goal on the three yard line after running through our defensive line like a hot knife threw butter. We were done at that point. The bad shut down are offense on the last theee offensive possessions. Thank god for the offensive lineman stepping on the quarterbacks foot and causing the fumble. It was just as bad of the freak interception by MSU as the loose ball just laid there on the tight ends back.

right... so the one win we have against them in the last 6 years is a fluke

 

[Josh1984]

Little brother seems to be getting some recruiting momentum... what do we do when they consistently start winning more games than us?

 

[deanvogs]

Little brother seems to be getting some recruiting momentum... what do we do when they consistently start winning more games than us?

What momentum? The Soup Boy has brought in the #52, 53 and 55 ranked classes according to 247. Now if Campbell turns out to be the next Bill Snyder, he might be able to win at ISU with recruiting like that. Until he proves to be the next Snyder, I will bet they remain a 4-6 win teams with an occasional 7 or 8 win season.

 

[BVHawk95]

what do we do when they consistently start winning more games than us?

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Does NObody get the feeling this is an alt--possibly one of several--for Joshbrown?

 

[BVHawk95]

Does NObody get the feeling this is an alt--possibly one of several--for Joshbrown?

I don't think so. While I disagree with most of the things Josh posts, I have no doubt he's an Iowa fan, and I don't think he's that unhinged.

 

[SCHawkeye2]

Thank you for saving me time to explain.

So let me get this straight...
If the results are a losing B10 record, but the process is under control, the program is successful?
Are you guys engineers by any chance?

 

[Ree4]

So let me get this straight...
If the results are a losing B10 record, but the process is under control, the program is successful?
Are you guys engineers by any chance?

Not sure how you made that connection, but the answer to your question would be no. I simply responded to your belief that the program is trending downward while ONLY listing B1G 10 Win Loss stats to "prove" it. Obviously the team's B1G 10 record is trending downward which is the only thing your evidence proves.

The question should be: Why is our B1G 10 record getting worse? Is it because the team is worse or because of other factors like strength of schedule, new offensive coordinator, injuries to key Olineman, increased number of freshmen in 2 deeps etc... That's a really hard question to answer but I am optimistic about this team in the next few years - more so than I was this past year.

With an easier schedule and good returning pieces I expect to buck the "downward trend" next year.

The picture is a little bigger than just win loss stats.

 

[uihawk82]

Actually during the regular season we finished fourth in the West behind Purdue because they beat us. First place, second place, and fourth place is not trending up that’s trending down.

If you want to argue that we had a tougher schedule this past year you can do that. However you would have to equally admit the previous two schedules before that were very favorable.

IOWA HATER............... your funny. I am the one who has consistently stated that Iowa is better than this and that they CAN do better.

Actually you are wrong, we finished tied for 3rd in the standings with Purdue at 4-5. A tiebreaker is only maybe used for bowl pairings. A tie is a tie. It is the same in the NFL, NBA, etc, two teams with same record are tied in the standings but tiebreakers are used for playoffs etc and draft positions.

I know what you said is a minor point but they have ties in the actual standings.

What are the tiebreakers for Big 10 basketball because if two team finish at 10-8 they are tied for that position and tiebreakers are used for seeding in the Big 10 bball tourney.

 

[uihawk82]

No kidding. So we finished 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in the B1G west over the last 3 years. We have 28 total wins over the last 3 years, good for 12th best of all P5 teams. Yet people say we are trending downward, and it is unacceptable that 1 year we finished in 3rd in the B1G west.

Correct, math says we finished tied for 3rd last year. See my previous reply. Only look at tiebreakers for different uses .

 

[CP87]

So let me get this straight...
If the results are a losing B10 record, but the process is under control, the program is successful?
Are you guys engineers by any chance?

Chances are if a team has a losing B10 record for an extended period of time, the processes are busted. If a team has an odd losing record here or there, should we make rash decisions on that result, or should we evaluate if there are factors outside of the coaches' control that contributed?

As I said, I will leave it to each individual to make their own assessment of whether the Iowa coaches are putting the program in a position to succeed. My only point is that judging solely on W-L is short-sighted.