Why won't the "system" work?

DuffMan

DuffMan

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I see a lot of people claiming in some form or another that....

"This system won't work here at Iowa/in the Big10"

Yet the same time they don't give any reasons why. I'm sick of hearing that being thrown out there as a reason to can Lick or as a reason that this program has no hope. I'd be willing to listen to any arguments people have against the system I just don't see any with the typical "it won't work post".

Why should I not dismiss anyone who makes that blanket statement as a kook/nutjob/crazyguy and tell him/her to cram it in thier cramhole.
 
I don't think there is any reason the system wouldn't work with the right talent. I do however believe that there are enough fans who do not want to watch basketball played like this that it should be tweeked enough to generate some excitment. Who knows, if the wins begin to roll in that may be enough, and they style as it is may be quite a bit more exciting.

Right now however there is a vicious circle of losing ball and a style of play that apeals to fewer fans. For this program to succeed both need to be addressed to genterate fan interest (IE revenue and butts in the seats) and recruiting interest (also impacted by butts in the seats). I'm not saying overhaul the system but do what you can to make it as successsfull and entertaining as possible.
 
To win in the Big 10 you need some power down low, and some athleticism to create your own shot ( like most teams ) and we have none. Lickliter wants a 3 shooting team, when in reality we need a strong post.
 
DuffMan said:
I'm sick of hearing that being thrown out there as a reason to can Lick or as a reason that this program has no hope.
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I'm sick of hearing about "The System", period. I don't care if it can or can't work in the big ten, I just want Iowa to start winning. If it means following "The System" or trashing it and starting over with "The Plan", or "The Strategy", or "The Scheme" just do what needs to be done in order to get "The Victories".
 
ottoman89 said:
To win in the Big 10 you need some power down low, and some athleticism to create your own shot ( like most teams ) and we have none. Lickliter wants a 3 shooting team, when in reality we need a strong post.
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There is nothing in "The System" that says we can't have strong post play or athletic guys. You can be both atheletic and shoot the 3 when open. I've also heard several times Lick aknowledge he's thin at the post position and would prefer to be stronger there.

"We need to be stronger and more atheletic" speaks to the roster not the offensive strategy.
 
tubahawk said:
I'm sick of hearing about "The System", period. I don't care if it can or can't work in the big ten, I just want Iowa to start winning. If it means following "The System" or trashing it and starting over with "The Plan", or "The Strategy", or "The Scheme" just do what needs to be done in order to get "The Victories".
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Agreed. I'd just prefer we put this argument to bed one way or another so I don't have see people make that claim over and over and over and over....
 
The system will work but not without better talent and depth. We are playing something like seven scholarship players and most of those are freshmen and sophomores. Both of those scenarios are not good.
 
I blame all the fairweather fans. If everyone would just stop whining and just show up to games and pack Carver, the team would respond by bouncing the ball more effectively and throwing it through the hoop more often.

That, or the players' shorts are too long.
 
Not sure it just the system per se. It is the recruits in the system. We simply don't have the athletes needed to compete in the Big 10. We don't. Sure, we would be considered an athletic team in the Missouri Valley but the Big 10 is a whole other beast. Recruiting is the name of the game and the fact is, Lick is not going to lure any real big time talent because big time talent is not going to want to play on a team that averages 53 points a game ... The only thing missing now is a peach basket ...
 
DesMoinesHawki said:
Not sure it just the system per se. It is the recruits in the system. We simply don't have the athletes needed to compete in the Big 10. We don't. Sure, we would be considered an athletic team in the Missouri Valley but the Big 10 is a whole other beast. Recruiting is the name of the game and the fact is, Lick is not going to lure any real big time talent because big time talent is not going to want to play on a team that averages 53 points a game ... The only thing missing now is a peach basket ...
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I agree we need better talent (I also think we have some comming in) but the argument that good players won't come here because we don't score enough doesn't seem to hold water. Wouldn't our scoring improve with better players? It's not like 53 points a game is the ceiling as far as scoring, its just all we are capable of doing right now.

Wisconsin gets good talent despite running a half court low scoring style of play. Butler scores around 70 points a game. fOSU puts up respectable offensive numbers running a similar system.
 
DuffMan said:
Wisconsin gets good talent despite running a half court low scoring style of play. Butler scores around 70 points a game. fOSU puts up respectable offensive numbers running a similar system.
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OSU doesn't run the same system on offense or defense. Matta adapts to his players and he's tweaked what he left Butler with many times.

As to why people rag on the system: well, it was described by the coach as a system that can negate the athletic ability of your opponents. People assume from that Iowa will have to do with athletes of lesser ability than other big ten teams. Other things are obviously involved but this is one of the interpretations.
 
DuffMan said:
I agree we need better talent (I also think we have some comming in) but the argument that good players won't come here because we don't score enough doesn't seem to hold water. Wouldn't our scoring improve with better players? It's not like 53 points a game is the ceiling as far as scoring, its just all we are capable of doing right now.

Wisconsin gets good talent despite running a half court low scoring style of play. Butler scores around 70 points a game. fOSU puts up respectable offensive numbers running a similar system.
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I agree with the reason Iowa scores 53 points a game is due to lack of talent. It's not like the game plan is to score 53 points a game.

I am tired of hearing about the system from both sides. I don't like hearing the excuse of how hard the system is to learn either. It's not like Iowa is bad because they are struggling to learn the system.

Win games > better recruits > better attendance > happy people
 
The correct order should be...

Recruits, wins, attendance.

I don't think you can say he's had bad recruits as he's put 3 failry solid recruiting classes together in a row now.
 
DuffMan said:
I don't think you can say he's had bad recruits as he's put 3 failry solid recruiting classes together in a row now.
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Not to make things more complicated, but if we accept this premise then we have to include "player retention" in our list of items.
 
It works both ways...we have seen nothing to make anyone think that his "system" will work AT Iowa have we, except people continuing to say...be patient, give it several more years, and so on. People supporting the system have given absolutely no proof that the "system" will work at Iowa as far as rebuilding the program and working in the Big 10. He made his "system" apparently work at butler, where the system has been in place forever and appears to work regardless of who is coaching. Outside of Matta, and going to a place where recruiting is strong and a coach who CAN recruit, the "system" has not worked...example Nebraska.

So that argument can go both ways...
 
tubahawk said:
Not to make things more complicated, but if we accept this premise then we have to include "player retention" in our list of items.
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Agreed but we also have to draw a line between kids he's recruited and the recruits of former coaches. In my eyes his first true recruitng class was Tucker, Brommer, Gatens, and Bawinkle.
 
NewMexHawk said:
It works both ways...we have seen nothing to make anyone think that his "system" will work AT Iowa have we, except people continuing to say...be patient, give it several more years, and so on. People supporting the system have given absolutely no proof that the "system" will work at Iowa as far as rebuilding the program and working in the Big 10. He made his "system" apparently work at butler, where the system has been in place forever and appears to work regardless of who is coaching. Outside of Matta, and going to a place where recruiting is strong and a coach who CAN recruit, the "system" has not worked...example Nebraska.

So that argument can go both ways...
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Just out of curiousity can you tell me what his "system" is?
 
This "system" is a joke at the Big Ten level. It was designed for mid-major players to compete with high-major teams. Maybe our players are better than we give them credit for and the "system" is dulling theirs skills rather than taking full advantage of them.

I couldn't help but notice how the team played better and more relaxed when Lickliter was absent due to surgery. Maybe it is not a coincidence.
 
McHawkin said:
This "system" is a joke at the Big Ten level. It was designed for mid-major players to compete with high-major teams. Maybe our players are better than we give them credit for and the "system" is dulling theirs skills rather than taking full advantage of them.

I couldn't help but notice how the team played better and more relaxed when Lickliter was absent due to surgery. Maybe it is not a coincidence.
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If it's designed to help teams with lesser atheletic ability compete with more atheletic teams then why wouldn't it work at Iowa?
 
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