Why not run the pistol?

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uihawk82

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It is basically I formation with the QB sometimes in a short shotgun where the I-back can run the same running plays. hawks could line up with two tight ends, kittle and fant, and then split them out to go 4 wide or run power with the TEs in tight. this would give a lot less of a tell to the defense and KF could be happy about running I formation power football.

Even with that the uptempo offense with 4 wides seems to work with CJ calling plays with hand signals, etc.

I even think they could go uptempo under center just to tire out the defense and not give them time to sub or make their defensive checks.

I am just frustrated like in 2014 with an inconsistent stagnant offense while even teams like jNW and Purdue can get guys open downfield.
 
uihawk82 said:
It is basically I formation with the QB sometimes in a short shotgun where the I-back can run the same running plays. hawks could line up with two tight ends, kittle and fant, and then split them out to go 4 wide or run power with the TEs in tight. this would give a lot less of a tell to the defense and KF could be happy about running I formation power football.

Even with that the uptempo offense with 4 wides seems to work with CJ calling plays with hand signals, etc.

I even think they could go uptempo under center just to tire out the defense and not give them time to sub or make their defensive checks.

I am just frustrated like in 2014 with an inconsistent stagnant offense while even teams like jNW and Purdue can get guys open downfield.
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At least the defense has no idea what's coming based on the formation. That's what I like about it.
 
hwk23 said:
At least the defense has no idea what's coming based on the formation. That's what I like about it.
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Yes and some teams have another back in the backfield just to the side of the QB to add a lot of wrinkles, could be a way to have wadley and daniels in the backfield at the same time.

Isnt it the Indiana coach who used the pistol when at OU and maybe at IU?
 
uihawk82 said:
It is basically I formation with the QB sometimes in a short shotgun where the I-back can run the same running plays. hawks could line up with two tight ends, kittle and fant, and then split them out to go 4 wide or run power with the TEs in tight. this would give a lot less of a tell to the defense and KF could be happy about running I formation power football.

Even with that the uptempo offense with 4 wides seems to work with CJ calling plays with hand signals, etc.

I even think they could go uptempo under center just to tire out the defense and not give them time to sub or make their defensive checks.

I am just frustrated like in 2014 with an inconsistent stagnant offense while even teams like jNW and Purdue can get guys open downfield.
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The problem with going uptempo is it makes the defense do what they don't want to do.
 
You really believe that McCarron (state 100 champ), Smith and Scheel don't have speed??? Lol......Speed is not the problem einstein. I don't get on the coaches much, but our route scheme SUCKS, and our QB can't read sh*t.....It's a combination of things. Yeah, that walk-on from NW that killed us is a burner, lol.......
 
Yeah, scrapping your offensive scheme in the middle of the year and trying to put in a WHOLE NEW offense in the bye week sounds like a great idea, lol.........You people kill me.........
 
Well, please explain 'football speed' to us ol playmaker, lol....and tell us all about the plays you made in college and on.......
We have no talent? You are a total tool..........
 
Ickehawk said:
You really believe that McCarron (state 100 champ), Smith and Scheel don't have speed??? Lol......Speed is not the problem einstein. I don't get on the coaches much, but our route scheme SUCKS, and our QB can't read sh*t.....It's a combination of things. Yeah, that walk-on from NW that killed us is a burner, lol.......
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I have been saying this since Greg Davis got here. His passing scheme has never fit what Iowa tries to do overall offensively. Lots of teams around football pass the ball way better than us with "less athletic" players. It is a Greg Davis offensive passing scheme problem.

Hopefully it ends after this season. I have been ready for 4 years now for this experiment to end, hopefully it does after this season.
 
hawkeyes87 said:
Nailed it. KF would never go for something that modern.
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Just wait about 20 years for the pistol. Maybe KF will still be the HC...It took about 10 years for ST Iowa coaches to convince KF to allow punt returners to, at least, fair catch the ball instead of letting it roll and roll and roll. It took about 10 years for OCs to convince KF to, at times, have a smaller, faster halfback to provide breakaway speed and pass catching ability. I'm sure Wegher wishes KF's change of heart had come during Wegher's stay at Iowa. Wadley is Wegher, BTW. Wadley never would've happened 10 years ago because Wegher didn't happen 10 years ago. It took about 10 years (and KOK leaving, I'm guessing) for KF to allow no-huddle offense.
 
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deanvogs said:
I have been saying this since Greg Davis got here. His passing scheme has never fit what Iowa tries to do overall offensively. Lots of teams around football pass the ball way better than us with "less athletic" players. It is a Greg Davis offensive passing scheme problem.

Hopefully it ends after this season. I have been ready for 4 years now for this experiment to end, hopefully it does after this season.
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I want you to check Iowa's offensive stats for the last 3 seasons (include this season as a part of the last 3). I don't remember/know what Iowa's statistics were last season or this, so far, but I do know in Jakes's last season as starting QB for Iowa, in 2015, Iowa's offensive rating was the 4th best in the history of offenses under KF. Just slightly 1 average yard per game less than the 3rd best under KF. Now, you may say that isn't any great feat since Iowa's offenses under KF have been conservative, I would agree with you. Never the less, 4th best under KF and most likely, in 2016, a better overall average yards per game rating during the KF era than 2015 is a step in the right direction.
 
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HomerChampless said:
I want you to check Iowa's offensive stats for the last 3 seasons (include this season as a part of the last 3). I don't remember/know what Iowa's statistics were last season or this, so far, but I do know in Jakes's last season as starting QB for Iowa, in 2015, Iowa's offensive rating was the 4th best in the history of offenses under KF. Just slightly 1 average yard per game less than the 3rd best under KF. Now, you may say that isn't any great feat since Iowa's offenses under KF have been conservative, I would agree with you. Never the less, 4th best under KF and most likely, in 2016, a better overall average yards per game rating than 2015 is a step in the right direction.
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Statistically speaking if you have 1 odd result in 5 years of data, that is considered outlier. I would agree with you if the 4 other year were all good and we have 1 bad outlier. Alas we have had 4 bad years, and 1 good year is it.

Greg Davis offensive passing stats:
2012: #102 in the country at 187 YPG
2013: #95 in the country at 197 YPG
2014 #56 in the country at 237 YPG
2015: #89 in the country at 204 YPG
2016: #106 in the country at 180 YPG

Like I said, one data point is the outlier.

8 Years Under KOK, right before GD:
2011: #59 in the country at 235 YPG
2010: #49 in the country at 234 YPG
2009: #55 in the country at 222 YPG
2008: #90 in the country at 180 YPG
I don't have national rankings from here on out, but here are YPG:
2007: 190 YPG
2006: 240 YPG
2005: 257 YPG
2004: 240 YPG

The data outlier in KOK case is the 180 and 190 YPG. The norm was around 230+ and the down years both included Jake "The Snake" throwing the ball..
 
uihawk82 said:
It is basically I formation with the QB sometimes in a short shotgun where the I-back can run the same running plays. hawks could line up with two tight ends, kittle and fant, and then split them out to go 4 wide or run power with the TEs in tight. this would give a lot less of a tell to the defense and KF could be happy about running I formation power football.

Even with that the uptempo offense with 4 wides seems to work with CJ calling plays with hand signals, etc.

I even think they could go uptempo under center just to tire out the defense and not give them time to sub or make their defensive checks.

I am just frustrated like in 2014 with an inconsistent stagnant offense while even teams like jNW and Purdue can get guys open downfield.
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Why not run it?! C'mon it's because KF and GD have NO IDEA how to run it and it's out of their comfort zone. That might be the smartest thing they could since KF likes old guys bring in Chris Ault the creator of the pistol and make that baby hummmm.
 
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