I would agee that 12 is about right but that being said Neb was not the team the Big Ten really wanted. I think a perfect storm had developed that allowed Neb an oppertunity to come into the Big Ten. Every one knows the team that the Big Ten is after and if that team had said yes Neb would still be in the Big 12 fighting with Texas and loosing. Bringing in Neb was a tacktic to attempt to eather pressure ND or at the least intice ND to join, expantion had never ever been about adding Neb.
Why no more expansion talk
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DwayneTwill
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I still prefer Nebraska to ND.
ICHawk24
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Nebraska wasn't an initial target, but I think Delaney's entire super conference talk was shaking trees and seeing what fell out. Nebraska showed interest, so of course the Big Ten was interested. They didn't add Neb to entice ND, ND isn't going to be enticed by Nebraska. Nebraska was simply a great 12th team.
The B10 has expanded twice in the last 50 years and both times they've added a top 10 football program. Can't complain about that.
The B10 has expanded twice in the last 50 years and both times they've added a top 10 football program. Can't complain about that.
MoseSchrute
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Try twice within the last 18 years(or so).
Anyone that understands the financial implications & more importantly the financial REQUIREMENTS, knows that any further expansion will NOT happen without ND and/or Texas, probably both.
The 12th member, irregardless of who it was, paid for itself by allowing a CCG. Didn't matter if it was Nebraska or Dowling High School. Nebraska's value is yet to be realized, which is why they're playing the schedule that they are, to maximize the TV $ the B1G will garner at contract time.
This issue is simple math at this point & knowing that the current B1G members aren't adding other members so that they themselves can make less money, that leaves the question of who can generate in excess of $250M additional revenue for the conference.
That's a short list...
By my estimation, the only way that can be achieved is if the BTN goes NATIONAL and can charge NATIONAL fees as does ESPN. The only way the BTN can go national...ND & Texas.
The 12th member, irregardless of who it was, paid for itself by allowing a CCG. Didn't matter if it was Nebraska or Dowling High School. Nebraska's value is yet to be realized, which is why they're playing the schedule that they are, to maximize the TV $ the B1G will garner at contract time.
This issue is simple math at this point & knowing that the current B1G members aren't adding other members so that they themselves can make less money, that leaves the question of who can generate in excess of $250M additional revenue for the conference.
That's a short list...
By my estimation, the only way that can be achieved is if the BTN goes NATIONAL and can charge NATIONAL fees as does ESPN. The only way the BTN can go national...ND & Texas.
trj
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You took the words right out of my mouth. Just don’t let the Nebby fans know that they may be playing in the same conference with Texas again they’ll have a meltdown.
74Hunter
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texa$$ is such a cultural non-fit for the Big 10, with all of their baggage and demands, they do not play well with others.
I don't think that the Big 10 will pull down their pants and bend over to texa$$ the way that the Little 9 has, but who knows. If they do, I (along with most Nebraskans) will lose all respect for this conference.
The only way the BTN could go National would be to partner with another conference like the PAC 12. That might pull the Texas schools into the mix.
You could run differential programming in each region and have cross conference scheduling throughout the season, while still keeping the conferences intact.
You could run differential programming in each region and have cross conference scheduling throughout the season, while still keeping the conferences intact.
Well I do think your right I don't think that the Big Ten would pull down their pants but that being said if Texas asked it would be a no brainer. If Texas and ND were added then that would be one incredible conference. The problem with the Big 12 was it needed Texas to servive the Big Ten does not.
ShockRerun
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Adding ND and tx would make the B1G have the most legendary conference lineup imaginable. Six of the top seven including the 5 winingest teams in history in one conference.
But texas wouldn't go for it in a million years.
But texas wouldn't go for it in a million years.
DwayneTwill
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Eff texas. And ND, for that matter.
ShockRerun
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I still think that 12 is just about as big as you would want to get for a football conference. and 4 of the top 7 winningest teams of all time is still pretty good.
DwayneTwill
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Agree.
MisterWinky
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Tejas and Oklahoma could make it happen.
The funny part of all of this was when Jim Delany, or really Barry Alvarez, stated the B1G was exploring expansion, the leg work was already done.
The actual statement was given to start the panic. Just as it did.
I can say with 100% certainty that that list was...
Texas
ND
Nebraska
in that order.
I can also say, with a high degree of confidence, that the next move is the B1G leaving the NCAA. That's why Delany is talking about "true cost" scholarships. Separating the men from the boys so to speak. Only the big boys can afford that. Remember Delany talking about the need for athletic depts in the B1G to become self-sufficient? This is why. That way state governments can't dictate what athletic depts do. If the state isn't funding your athletic dept, they can't dictate what you do.
Within the next 15yrs there will be 50-60 programs that no longer operate under the NCAA's umbrella. Basically creating the new Division I of college sports. When this move happens, I believe Texas & ND will partner with the B1G. Why? Because it will maximize their revenues athletically, while partnering with like-minded universities that value research at the highest levels.
All the talk of 16 team superconferences isn't very likely.
14 team superconferences is a certainty, its just a matter of when.
The actual statement was given to start the panic. Just as it did.
I can say with 100% certainty that that list was...
Texas
ND
Nebraska
in that order.
I can also say, with a high degree of confidence, that the next move is the B1G leaving the NCAA. That's why Delany is talking about "true cost" scholarships. Separating the men from the boys so to speak. Only the big boys can afford that. Remember Delany talking about the need for athletic depts in the B1G to become self-sufficient? This is why. That way state governments can't dictate what athletic depts do. If the state isn't funding your athletic dept, they can't dictate what you do.
Within the next 15yrs there will be 50-60 programs that no longer operate under the NCAA's umbrella. Basically creating the new Division I of college sports. When this move happens, I believe Texas & ND will partner with the B1G. Why? Because it will maximize their revenues athletically, while partnering with like-minded universities that value research at the highest levels.
All the talk of 16 team superconferences isn't very likely.
14 team superconferences is a certainty, its just a matter of when.
Hate to burst your bubble but the state can do anything it wants to because self sufficient or not the university’s are still state entities.
Universities yes, athletic depts no.
If they don't supplement them(athletic dept), the state could care less what they do.
NewMexHawk
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The ONLY way Texas can join the Big10 is if they are willing to become JUST another member, sharing equality with all other members. Texas would never join the conference or ANY other conference unless THEY can tell the league what to do. Texas is not about to JUST become another member of a conference. They will go independent first.
I, for one, would not want Texas in the Big10. They would cause a lot of trouble for the rest of the members...lots of trouble. PLUS, how does Texas fit in with the rest of the Big10 culturally? They don't. Noder dumm of course is a perfect fit but they won't join the Big10 until they absolutely have to. Joining the Big10 would mean they would just become another team in the Big10. They couldn't call their own shots and they aren't about to get into a Big10 schedule every year. With ND, the best thing that could happen would be for Michigan, Michigan State, and Purdue to drop their series. THAT would hurt the dummers.
I, for one, would not want Texas in the Big10. They would cause a lot of trouble for the rest of the members...lots of trouble. PLUS, how does Texas fit in with the rest of the Big10 culturally? They don't. Noder dumm of course is a perfect fit but they won't join the Big10 until they absolutely have to. Joining the Big10 would mean they would just become another team in the Big10. They couldn't call their own shots and they aren't about to get into a Big10 schedule every year. With ND, the best thing that could happen would be for Michigan, Michigan State, and Purdue to drop their series. THAT would hurt the dummers.
You're absolutely correct, the financial equality was exactly the reason Texas isn't in the B1G today.
Personally, I agree, I don't want Texas in the B1G. However, you mention the cultural fit...On an academic level, they ARE a match with the B1G. Large state, research based university. And yes, they are also a match with the Pac12 schools, at least the Cali schools.
As for going independent, they really already are. They just have a convenient, built in scheduling group of schools they associate with, allowing them to make just enough money to keep them in that role.
As for ND, I agree with you, that the B1G schools should not schedule them. Delany tried to push that and was emphatically shot down by those schools. Its a big $ game for all of them.
Here's the bottom line for me...
If this is driven by $ as the primary factor, Texas & ND can best maximize their revenues as members of the B1G, simply because their membership likely allows the BTNetwork to go national. Additionally, the other TV contracts would likely double, triple or even quadruple. For this reason alone, I believe that when the next move is made to leave the ncaa, Texas & ND will become members of the B1G.
