big10fan
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AY was at the game? didn't get to watch, was out of the area. can't blame rick for doing what his coaches told him to do. wonder what drew tate thought, you could tell he had some serious issues with KOK back in the day.
Why are people blaming Ricky for not spiking?
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AY was at the game? didn't get to watch, was out of the area. can't blame rick for doing what his coaches told him to do. wonder what drew tate thought, you could tell he had some serious issues with KOK back in the day.
deanvogs
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After re watching here is what I think happened:
The play was to spike the ball after the 1st down. Ricky signals it, Arob signals it, they are lining up to do that. The ball gets kicked away from the LOS, and Gettis goes to pick up the ball and hand it back to the officials. During that, I think some panic sets in from somewhere. Ricky backs off the LOS, and looks toward the sideline, and looks like he is looking for a play other than a spike now. So the sideline signals TO.
Now if the staff had told Ricky to spike it (like I'm assuming they did) and that the confusion of the ball getting kicked around threw them off, the staff won't throw any players under the bus. If someone tried to signal in a play from the sideline, KF won't throw them under the bus either.
I think the play was called correctly in the huddle, that they would spike the ball, I just think in the confusion, it all broke down, be that a breakdown by the players or the coaches....
The play was to spike the ball after the 1st down. Ricky signals it, Arob signals it, they are lining up to do that. The ball gets kicked away from the LOS, and Gettis goes to pick up the ball and hand it back to the officials. During that, I think some panic sets in from somewhere. Ricky backs off the LOS, and looks toward the sideline, and looks like he is looking for a play other than a spike now. So the sideline signals TO.
Now if the staff had told Ricky to spike it (like I'm assuming they did) and that the confusion of the ball getting kicked around threw them off, the staff won't throw any players under the bus. If someone tried to signal in a play from the sideline, KF won't throw them under the bus either.
I think the play was called correctly in the huddle, that they would spike the ball, I just think in the confusion, it all broke down, be that a breakdown by the players or the coaches....
dmShortSaledude
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You are correct here. He is a 5th year senior, act like it. JV are you paying attention??? Learn from these mistakes.
Still the OC should have drilled every senario into his head. Spike the ball, no passes over the middle unless it's for a 1st down, know your next play(or 2), etc, etc. If the OC had made these points, he wouldn't have looked to the sideline. NONE of the players would have, they would have already known what to do... crap
Another coaching issue I have is with the fake punt. That late in the game - watch all fakes. That's what coaches do. We obviously did NOT mention this to our players. I did repeatedly, they didn't hear me. dblcrap.
Like the other fella said, plenty of coaching issues in this game. That is quite unfortunate.
This is what Stanzi said to the media (taken from Kheeler's article this morning:
“Coach was wanting to take a timeout,†Stanzi said Saturday after Iowa dipped to 5-2, 2-1 in Big Ten play. “We kind of had a plan going in and we kind of had a switch of ideas. If it works out, it’s not even a question, but when it doesn’t, you start pointing fingers at certain plays.â€
His comment, coupled with what I saw take place, confirm to me someone on the sidelines completely screwed up. Stanzi is not to blame. Even a 5th year senior doesn't ignore a call coming in from the coaching staff. Stanzi wanted to spike it, which according to him wsa apparently the plan, and someone on the sideline tried to change it.
“Coach was wanting to take a timeout,†Stanzi said Saturday after Iowa dipped to 5-2, 2-1 in Big Ten play. “We kind of had a plan going in and we kind of had a switch of ideas. If it works out, it’s not even a question, but when it doesn’t, you start pointing fingers at certain plays.â€
His comment, coupled with what I saw take place, confirm to me someone on the sidelines completely screwed up. Stanzi is not to blame. Even a 5th year senior doesn't ignore a call coming in from the coaching staff. Stanzi wanted to spike it, which according to him wsa apparently the plan, and someone on the sideline tried to change it.
sodakhawkeye
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The ball was not set!!! He was looking all around signaling to spike it. You can see him step back and give the signal to the sideline (like trying to argue with the coaches to spike it). By then the TO was called on the sideline and the ball was still not set.
bighawkeyedaddy
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I am betting dollars to donuts that due to the time it took for the officials to set the ball, one of the coaches entertained the thought of running a play on the ball instead of spiking it. Which is a terrible call. My 11 year old son plays on Xbox and knows you have to spike the ball in that situation. Unless you called 2 plays after that first timeout. That is something else I don't understand about our play calling, my freshman year in high school we had a 2 minute offense and during a timeout, you don't call one play, you call the next play as well so you can lineup and run it.
Let's not forget what happened the last time Stanzi ignored KOK on the sideline (does the Pittsburgh game ring a bell with anyone?)
Let's not forget what happened the last time Stanzi ignored KOK on the sideline (does the Pittsburgh game ring a bell with anyone?)
It doesn't matter if the ball was set, if they were going to call timeout they aren't waiting for the ball to be set to do so. If the plan was to call a timeout then the coaches would have done it right after the play, NOT WAIT FOR THE BALL TO BE SET!!
sodakhawkeye
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That thought has been crossing my mind as well. Were they trying to sneak a play in or even try the fake spike play. Just a thought and i agree, not a very good one.
sodakhawkeye
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I am pretty sure they did call it quite quickly. The ball not being set would be to our advantage in spiking it.
chadfrey
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Correct. (Playing devil's advocate here) It also could work like a "free" timeout. Unfortnuately, Iowa screwed up and didn't get set behind the ball with a play for an immediate snap.
There was too much confusion on the sidelines to pull off a play - they forgot that the down was not as important as the clock in this situation. Should have just let the spike happen, instead they were greedy thinking they could run an extra play.
Ah well. Now I have to listen to my Wisconsin-native wife gloat. I get the last laugh on her though - she doesn't know how to relight the pilot on the hot water heater. Once she gets under my skin too much, it's cold shower night for her.
The final minute of that game was mass chaos. A far cry from the brilliance exhibited in a similar situation, on the road at MSU last season, where it was score a TD or go home.
That being said, it's hard to pinpoint who was more at fault on that shitfest of a drive. On the one hand, you'd think that a veteran QB/veteran offense would have had the sense to run up after the 1st down and just spike it. I think anybody who's ever watched two minute drills on TV knows this. Regardless of the chaos, Stanzi should have just gotten the team up, made sure everybody was set, and then spiked the ball. Ignore all that was going on from the sidelines and just done the seemingly logical thing to do in that situation.
However, if it's true that the officials were taking a long time to set the ball, isn't it entirely possible that either the coaches or perhaps even Stanzi thought that it was enough time to maybe signal in a play/try to take a shot?
I'd check on that specific play, but I just can't bring myself to endure that heartbreak again. Especially since I'm still trying to recover from two terrible football games against the state of Wisconsin (first it was the Badgers, then it was the Packers...two straight days of failed 2 minute drills...sigh)
EDIT;
If the plan was in fact to try and call a play instead of the spike, then I think it was the wrong time to suddenly become gutsy. We should have used the gutsy plays earlier and saved the conservative decisions (for the most part) for the last drive...
That being said, it's hard to pinpoint who was more at fault on that shitfest of a drive. On the one hand, you'd think that a veteran QB/veteran offense would have had the sense to run up after the 1st down and just spike it. I think anybody who's ever watched two minute drills on TV knows this. Regardless of the chaos, Stanzi should have just gotten the team up, made sure everybody was set, and then spiked the ball. Ignore all that was going on from the sidelines and just done the seemingly logical thing to do in that situation.
However, if it's true that the officials were taking a long time to set the ball, isn't it entirely possible that either the coaches or perhaps even Stanzi thought that it was enough time to maybe signal in a play/try to take a shot?
I'd check on that specific play, but I just can't bring myself to endure that heartbreak again. Especially since I'm still trying to recover from two terrible football games against the state of Wisconsin (first it was the Badgers, then it was the Packers...two straight days of failed 2 minute drills...sigh)
EDIT;
If the plan was in fact to try and call a play instead of the spike, then I think it was the wrong time to suddenly become gutsy. We should have used the gutsy plays earlier and saved the conservative decisions (for the most part) for the last drive...
ThunderHawk
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They should have had two plays called regardless. The 4th down play and the next one, or at least an instruction for everyone to get on the line pronto after the play and spike it. Then you have at least 10 seconds and a timeout in case you get tackled inbounds.
Absolutely horrible clock management. No blame on Stanzi at all.
Coaching lost this game, period.
Absolutely horrible clock management. No blame on Stanzi at all.
Coaching lost this game, period.
The did have a play called and it was to spike the ball. That has already been established. Everyone was ready to do it until Stanzi looked to the sidelines and got confused, he does have some blame, not all - he should have never put himself in the situation to get confused, just get up under center, wait for the ball, and spike it - Don't look over at the sideline with 12 seconds left.
I don't think it would have mattered anyway, but Stanzi does deserve some blame, anyone that says different is wrong on that matter. Anyone who thinks that lost the game is also wrong.
Oh yeah, and I get to decide who is right and wrong
ThunderHawk
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The did have a play called and it was to spike the ball. That has already been established. Everyone was ready to do it until Stanzi looked to the sidelines and got confused, he does have some blame, not all - he should have never put himself in the situation to get confused, just get up under center, wait for the ball, and spike it - Don't look over at the sideline with 12 seconds left.
I don't think it would have mattered anyway, but Stanzi does deserve some blame, anyone that says different is wrong on that matter. Anyone who thinks that lost the game is also wrong.
Oh yeah, and I get to decide who is right and wrong
If that's true then I amend my statement. I still think they should have had two plays called.
We can go back and forth and point fingers at whomever during the last drive, but to be honest, it doesn't change the fact that our defense and special teams sucked. Twice this year we had the lead late in the 4th quarter, and we needed one more stop from the D, and twice we have failed. As far as the offense is concerned, I am angrier about the fact we went all conservative after the INT and settled for a field goal. It's time for the staff to realize we need to open the playbook, and keep it open. We need to score. Our defense has shown it is not as invincible as we thought.
deanvogs
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Thunder they had the spiked called for, they were all signaling it. When the ball got kicked, Stanzi realized he had more time, and then looked over to the sideline for a play. This was the mistake he made. The spike was the call that he was to run, and he should have run that play only.
Now I don't think it is Stanzi's fault only, he looked over and all of the coaches should have been signaling spike...who knows, a coach probably starting signaling a play....Either way, it was a lack of execution by both parties if you ask me......
