Why are people blaming Ricky for not spiking?

skinnykilmer17

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Like to watch the replay but I don't believe you can blame Ricky for not spiking the ball. This OC has a history of late game paralysis. See LSU in Capitol One. People were screaming for a timeout and the chaos actually worked in our favor as it probably caught LSU off guard as well.

A well coached or average coached team would have immediately got to the line of scrimmage in the "spike the ball" formation that they would have practiced as part of their hurry-up offense since the start of fall practice. Correct? Every single day we see at least one team whether at the collegiate or professional level do exactly this: spike the ball to kill the clock. Do we even practice this? How often? It should be second nature. There should be no looking at the sideline by the QB or the coaches shouldn't be confusing the situation by screaming or signaling anything. Period. You get to the line of scrimmage and SPIKE IT. And this is following a QB sneak which followed a time-out where not only spiking the ball should have been reinforced, the following play should have been discussed and called.

What is going on here? An indecisive OC who suffers in critical game-time situations? or is he getting to much input and blowback from KF or someone else confusing the situation? If you don't have an OC whom you trust to step up in critical situations or if he continues to fail in critical moments then that needs to be addressed. KF needed to take responsibility in the post game because his excuses or rationale was weak. Just a horriblly coached game in every aspect. Should we be having these issues in week 8 of the season?

Ricky did err in shoveling the ball to ARob. Was that a called play or did Ricky just panic? I thought it was the latter.

I would love to know what our practice sessions are like. This shouldn't happen to a well-coached offense. Especially in your home stadium, i.e. not a hostile crowd.
 


Like to watch the replay but I don't believe you can blame Ricky for not spiking the ball. This OC has a history of late game paralysis. See LSU in Capitol One. People were screaming for a timeout and the chaos actually worked in our favor as it probably caught LSU off guard as well.

A well coached or average coached team would have immediately got to the line of scrimmage in the "spike the ball" formation that they would have practiced as part of their hurry-up offense since the start of fall practice. Correct? Every single day we see at least one team whether at the collegiate or professional level do exactly this: spike the ball to kill the clock. Do we even practice this? How often? It should be second nature. There should be no looking at the sideline by the QB or the coaches shouldn't be confusing the situation by screaming or signaling anything. Period. You get to the line of scrimmage and SPIKE IT. And this is following a QB sneak which followed a time-out where not only spiking the ball should have been reinforced, the following play should have been discussed and called.

What is going on here? An indecisive OC who suffers in critical game-time situations? or is he getting to much input and blowback from KF or someone else confusing the situation? If you don't have an OC whom you trust to step up in critical situations or if he continues to fail in critical moments then that needs to be addressed. KF needed to take responsibility in the post game because his excuses or rationale was weak. Just a horriblly coached game in every aspect. Should we be having these issues in week 8 of the season?

Ricky did err in shoveling the ball to ARob. Was that a called play or did Ricky just panic? I thought it was the latter.

I would love to know what our practice sessions are like. This shouldn't happen to a well-coached offense. Especially in your home stadium, i.e. not a hostile crowd.

100% percent correct all on KF!!!
 


the camera panned to KF during that TO as Stanzi goes to the sidelines, and it appears that KF says 'its on me' or something like that.

plenty of blame to put on coaching in this game, and plenty of blame to put on player execution as well. You can probably make a list of 5 things for each groups that were mistakes that easily cost them the game. The extra point and field goal are a couple low hangers that are #1 and #2 under the player list.
 


This one was on the coaching staff, the shuffle pass to a-rob wasn't the brightest move in world, but like you said he probably panicked. He needed about 10 yards just to get into fg range with what 5 secs at that point you either throw it away or tap into his inner Drew Tate and chuck the ball downfield.:eek:
 


Rick is a 5th year senior with lots of experience, he shouldn't even look at the sideline in that situation. Spike the ball, kill the clock, keep a critical timeout in your pocket. All that aside, their staff outcoached ours yesterday. The players played well on both sides, but the little things went their way.
 


Correct me if I'm wrong, and a lot of people are trying to argue this point with me, but I saw Stanzi under center on that play. He was ready to spike the ball, he was just trying to get everyone set. Then the timeout came from the sideline and Stanzi was visibly upset about the TO being called. Stanzi was ready to spike the ball, but the sideline called TO before he could get the snap off.
 


Correct me if I'm wrong, and a lot of people are trying to argue this point with me, but I saw Stanzi under center on that play. He was ready to spike the ball, he was just trying to get everyone set. Then the timeout came from the sideline and Stanzi was visibly upset about the TO being called. Stanzi was ready to spike the ball, but the sideline called TO before he could get the snap off.

Just wathed it again, and you are correct. Not only was Stanzi signalling spike, but so was A-Rob. The ref had trouble setting the ball so Stanzi peaked over to the sideline and immediately saw some signal, prompting Stanzi to give the signal back with what appeared to be confused body language. Then he visibly made an extremely angry motion with his arms followed by the timeout from the sideline.

In the paper today Stanzi said they had the situation worked out in the time out and "then we changed our ideas". That is PC way of saying someone on the sideline decided to go away from what they talked about during the timeout. A complete and utter brain collapse on the staff. No other way to put it.
 


You can blame multiple people but you can watch college games all saturday and at the end of games a veteran quarterback would just spike the ball and not have to look over, if they had it "worked out" during the previous time out why would Stanzi look over to the sideline. Stanzi has mental lapses more than a vet qb should. If he was a first year starter I might look at it differently.
 


I am sure the correct people will be held accountable behind closed doors this week, but it was just so disappointing to watch the clock expire and not even have a shot at a long FG or hail mary pass. The season is far from over, but a vetran team and coaching staff should not have communication issues at this stage of the season. And the fake punt...were our players and coaches the only people on the planet that did not see that coming? I was surrounded by people that were calling that before the ball was snapped...it is a gutsy call for Wisconsin to make, but it was the only way they were going to have a chance to win the game.
 




Rick is a 5th year senior with lots of experience, he shouldn't even look at the sideline in that situation. Spike the ball, kill the clock, keep a critical timeout in your pocket. All that aside, their staff outcoached ours yesterday. The players played well on both sides, but the little things went their way.

This...your fifth year senior...should just do it.
 


This...your fifth year senior...should just do it.

He had them set to spike the ball. The officials were taking a unusually long time getting the ball ready for play. Rick looked over, and I'm assuming (I didn't see what was going on on the sideline) that the coaches were signaling in a play. I'm not sure that Rick was looking for a signal, and just looked over while the officials were getting things sorted out.
 




If anyone saw Albert Young's FB status he confirmed that the call came in from the sidelines and that it wasnt Stanzi's fault.
 







Because the call didn't come from the sideline right away. They didn't call the TO until Stanzi was back in shotgun, if he just got to the line and killed it they wouldn't have called the TO. I don't think anything would have happened after that anyway but some people will think it is the coaches fault, others the QB and they are both right but the senior QB that people started to try and say could start getting mentioned as a Heisman candidate didn't make the right play.
 


there is no excuse for a 5th year senior to even be LOOKING at the sideline before spiking that ball after the sneak!
 




Because the call didn't come from the sideline right away. They didn't call the TO until Stanzi was back in shotgun, if he just got to the line and killed it they wouldn't have called the TO. I don't think anything would have happened after that anyway but some people will think it is the coaches fault, others the QB and they are both right but the senior QB that people started to try and say could start getting mentioned as a Heisman candidate didn't make the right play.

The officials were taking longer than usual to get the ball ready for play. It felt like an eternity waiting for them to wind the clock. Ricky had everybody set to spike, and went ahead and looked at the sideline, at which point there was a play being called, and Ricky dropped back into the shotgun, and TO was called because of all the confusion.

The ball was NEVER ready to play. I suppose we all could have stomached another penalty for delay of game by snapping it (like in the CapOne Bowl) :rolleyes:
 




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