Who would win: 85 Iowa v 09 Iowa

[lightning1]

My memories of the 85' strengths and weaknesses just aren't that good. I wish I could get a DVD on the 85' season as a refresher. Minus the Rose Bowl, of course. I remember that one well enough.

 

[SteveGarvey]

I don't believe anyone's even mentioned the advantage of having Chuck Long over Stanzi. Liked me some Stanzi but give me Chuck any day. Even in the epic team fail of the Rose Bowl, Chuck was pretty good. Seem to remember Harmon dropping a tear drop TD pass from him as well.

 

[thetrza]

Depends on whether or not the game is played in AMERICA!!!!

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Wasn't there something about one of our D-linemen tipping off something (slant direction maybe?) with his alignment that UCLA took advantage of? Reading the above reminded me of this and I was thinking it was this game.

Correct. They saw what MSU did to us earlier in the year. Or DEs were over-committing/over-pursuing, and the LBs were over-covering the cutback lane(s). Basically, rather than cut-off the running lanes, we gave them EXTRA lanes.

 

[ShockHawk22]

91

Broderick Binns

6-2

255

DE

SO

93

Mike Daniels

6-1

267

DT

SO

94

Adrian Clayborn

6-3

282

DE

JR

95

Karl Klug

6-4

258

DT

JR

2009 OL

79

Bryan Bulaga

6-6

312

OT

77

Riley Reiff

6-6

280

OT

63

Julian Vandervelde

6-3

300

OG

60

Kyle Calloway

6-7

315

OT

52

Rafael Eubanks

6-3

280

C

SR

I looked for rosters from the 1985's team to put into comparison but I didnt find any sites that looked credible.

2009 had some big dogs. And Ferentz's teams excel when they have big, dominant lines. Im not saying that KF would out coach HF (the thought is hysterical) but I don't see how 1985 OL could create holes against that DL (the best under KF IMO). Which limits Harmon. It also forces Chuck Long to pass more, allowing AC to pin his ears back and create havoc. Clayborn wasn't great his senior year, but 2009 he was a MONSTER!

On the offensive side, 2009's Oline was great at creating holes against run stopping Defenses. And as said previously in this thread, Station was great, but got exposed on the outside. Wegher's speed could have caused enough problems for 85's defense to compete. At least enough to give Stanzi enough time to find Mcnutt/DJK/ Tony Moe.

These comparison's aren't fair to older teams because football (or sports in general) are a completely different beast. Athletes are bigger/stronger/ faster than back in the day. If you want to debate which is a better team, then 85 could win (probably would) but to play them head to head, no chance.

 

[PCHawk]

91

Broderick Binns

6-2

255

DE

SO

93

Mike Daniels

6-1

267

DT

SO

94

Adrian Clayborn

6-3

282

DE

JR

95

Karl Klug

6-4

258

DT

JR

2009 OL

79

Bryan Bulaga

6-6

312

OT

77

Riley Reiff

6-6

280

OT

63

Julian Vandervelde

6-3

300

OG

60

Kyle Calloway

6-7

315

OT

52

Rafael Eubanks

6-3

280

C

SR

I looked for rosters from the 1985's team to put into comparison but I didnt find any sites that looked credible.

2009 had some big dogs. And Ferentz's teams excel when they have big, dominant lines. Im not saying that KF would out coach HF (the thought is hysterical) but I don't see how 1985 OL could create holes against that DL (the best under KF IMO). Which limits Harmon. It also forces Chuck Long to pass more, allowing AC to pin his ears back and create havoc. Clayborn wasn't great his senior year, but 2009 he was a MONSTER!

On the offensive side, 2009's Oline was great at creating holes against run stopping Defenses. And as said previously in this thread, Station was great, but got exposed on the outside. Wegher's speed could have caused enough problems for 85's defense to compete. At least enough to give Stanzi enough time to find Mcnutt/DJK/ Tony Moe.

These comparison's aren't fair to older teams because football (or sports in general) are a completely different beast. Athletes are bigger/stronger/ faster than back in the day. If you want to debate which is a better team, then 85 could win (probably would) but to play them head to head, no chance.

You can't say no chance when teams like UNI and Arkansas State almost beat them. You can say '09 was by far the better team, which i agree with. Being a way better team doesn't really matter with Ferentz at the helm.

 

[ShockHawk22]

You can't say no chance when teams like UNI and Arkansas State almost beat them. You can say '09 was by far the better team, which i agree with. Being a way better team doesn't really matter with Ferentz at the helm.

Fair Point. I was referring to numerous comparisons of "Present team X vs Past Team Y" for the most part, Present team wins. However, you are correct. With KF at the helm, who knows what happens...

 

[SteveGarvey]

Fair Point. I was referring to numerous comparisons of "Present team X vs Past Team Y" for the most part, Present team wins. However, you are correct. With KF at the helm, who knows what happens...

Yes, he was at the helm in '09 and built up a pretty darn good team. And with that team's defense, maybe he would have forced Hayden and the '85 team into a lot of 3rd and longs and a lot of fruitless draw plays on said downs. Hayden ran the draw in that situation quite a lot, to my great frustration.

 

[83Hawk]

91

Broderick Binns

6-2

255

DE

SO

93

Mike Daniels

6-1

267

DT

SO

94

Adrian Clayborn

6-3

282

DE

JR

95

Karl Klug

6-4

258

DT

JR

2009 OL

79

Bryan Bulaga

6-6

312

OT

77

Riley Reiff

6-6

280

OT

63

Julian Vandervelde

6-3

300

OG

60

Kyle Calloway

6-7

315

OT

52

Rafael Eubanks

6-3

280

C

SR

I looked for rosters from the 1985's team to put into comparison but I didnt find any sites that looked credible.

2009 had some big dogs. And Ferentz's teams excel when they have big, dominant lines. Im not saying that KF would out coach HF (the thought is hysterical) but I don't see how 1985 OL could create holes against that DL (the best under KF IMO). Which limits Harmon. It also forces Chuck Long to pass more, allowing AC to pin his ears back and create havoc. Clayborn wasn't great his senior year, but 2009 he was a MONSTER!

On the offensive side, 2009's Oline was great at creating holes against run stopping Defenses. And as said previously in this thread, Station was great, but got exposed on the outside. Wegher's speed could have caused enough problems for 85's defense to compete. At least enough to give Stanzi enough time to find Mcnutt/DJK/ Tony Moe.

These comparison's aren't fair to older teams because football (or sports in general) are a completely different beast. Athletes are bigger/stronger/ faster than back in the day. If you want to debate which is a better team, then 85 could win (probably would) but to play them head to head, no chance.

Any comparison between teams of different eras would have to somehow factor in the height/weight/speed differences to some sort of common denominator. Otherwise there is no way a team from several decades ago could compete straight up with a more modern team.

 

[lightning1]

91

Broderick Binns

6-2

255

DE

SO

93

Mike Daniels

6-1

267

DT

SO

94

Adrian Clayborn

6-3

282

DE

JR

95

Karl Klug

6-4

258

DT

JR

2009 OL

79

Bryan Bulaga

6-6

312

OT

77

Riley Reiff

6-6

280

OT

63

Julian Vandervelde

6-3

300

OG

60

Kyle Calloway

6-7

315

OT

52

Rafael Eubanks

6-3

280

C

SR

I looked for rosters from the 1985's team to put into comparison but I didnt find any sites that looked credible.

2009 had some big dogs. And Ferentz's teams excel when they have big, dominant lines. Im not saying that KF would out coach HF (the thought is hysterical) but I don't see how 1985 OL could create holes against that DL (the best under KF IMO). Which limits Harmon. It also forces Chuck Long to pass more, allowing AC to pin his ears back and create havoc. Clayborn wasn't great his senior year, but 2009 he was a MONSTER!

On the offensive side, 2009's Oline was great at creating holes against run stopping Defenses. And as said previously in this thread, Station was great, but got exposed on the outside. Wegher's speed could have caused enough problems for 85's defense to compete. At least enough to give Stanzi enough time to find Mcnutt/DJK/ Tony Moe.

These comparison's aren't fair to older teams because football (or sports in general) are a completely different beast. Athletes are bigger/stronger/ faster than back in the day. If you want to debate which is a better team, then 85 could win (probably would) but to play them head to head, no chance.

Daniels didn't start at DT, Christain Ballard did. Somewhere around 6'5 and 300 bills. Daniels was the back up, believe it or not.

 

[Benddontbreak]

An argument could be made for the ’02 team or even the overall talent level of the ’10 team.

 

[MiniMoeHawk]

02 had the best overall team....re-watch some of their games on youtube. At one point of the season they were scoring 40+ points per game and they were banged up with injuries.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

02 had the best overall team....re-watch some of their games on youtube. At one point of the season they were scoring 40+ points per game and they were banged up with injuries.

02 vs 85 would be a great game. High scoring.

 

[PCHawk]

02 had the best overall team....re-watch some of their games on youtube. At one point of the season they were scoring 40+ points per game and they were banged up with injuries.

There was no going into a shell with the lead with the '02 offense. We were so good across the board that we scored no matter how safe the play calling was.

 

[FranklinHawk]

I'll take the '09 team, those guys from the '85 team are 50 years old!

 

[FBletterman]

I'll take the '09 team, those guys from the '85 team are 50 years old!

Haha yep Im 50 next month. Jezz where does the time go?

 

[NCHawker]

even more interesting to consider Bill Snyder versus Norm Parker.

 

[taffaej]

I always thought the 85 team was the end all be all but the 09 team was pretty good. It's like comparing apples to oranges though because players now are bigger faster and stronger. IF the teams were equal in strength then I would put money on the Fry factor. He would scratch where it itched and always and a trick play in his pocket.

 

[bigjim]

I don't believe anyone's even mentioned the advantage of having Chuck Long over Stanzi. Liked me some Stanzi but give me Chuck any day. Even in the epic team fail of the Rose Bowl, Chuck was pretty good. Seem to remember Harmon dropping a tear drop TD pass from him i as well.

. I agree. Don't get me wrong I thought Stanzi did a hell of a job in his career. But I would take Chuck Long over him any day. As for the team I think that Hayden would find a way to squeak out the win against a more talented Ferentz team

 

[hawkdrummer1]

even more interesting to consider Bill Snyder versus Norm Parker.

Hell of a match up