who made the right call?

[tm3308]

Wow. Really? Come on, it was a good call, I will admit. But you have to admit he got one up'ed. He made a ballzy call (and good) but the 12 man was a call right back.
Close to two, yes, sign me up all day. 1 on the clock, gotta have a TD..... you just got out coached.
So if Stanzi was calling the game, you never would have had even a minute anyway. Got to admit, that game come down to coaching and calling. You see it then you execute. It works the same, player or coach. Sometimes it's like rolling the dice.

I didn't say he didn't get one up-ed. But in that case, this question is poorly phrased, as both coaches made the right call. But did anyone actually say the 12th man was intentional? The Giants did have some miscues throughout the game with clock management and such, so I wasn't sure if it was intentional or not (It clearly worked in their favor, but so did the mass confusion for Iowa at the end of the Cap One Bowl. Doesn't mean we didn't totally drop the ball from a clock-management standpoint.).

 

[ColoradoHAWKEYE]

Wow. Really? Come on, it was a good call, I will admit. But you have to admit he got one up'ed. He made a ballzy call (and good) but the 12 man was a call right back. Close to two, yes, sign me up all day. 1 on the clock, gotta have a TD..... you just got out coached.So if Stanzi was calling the game, you never would h

ave had even a minute anyway. Got to admit, that game come down to coaching and calling. You see it then you execute. It works the same, player or coach. Sometimes it's like rolling the dice.

I didn't say he didn't get one up-ed. But in that case, this question is poorly phrased, as both coaches made the right call. But did anyone actually say the 12th man was intentional? The Giants did have some miscues throughout the game with clock management and such, so I wasn't sure if it was intentional or not (It clearly worked in their favor, but so did the mass confusion for Iowa at the end of the Cap One Bowl. Doesn't mean we didn't totally drop the ball from
a clock-management standpoint.).

as long as coach HeRRmann didn't have anything to do with it. don't need any added controversies this week

 

[olddude]

I didn't say he didn't get one up-ed. But in that case, this question is poorly phrased, as both coaches made the right call. But did anyone actually say the 12th man was intentional? The Giants did have some miscues throughout the game with clock management and such, so I wasn't sure if it was intentional or not (It clearly worked in their favor, but so did the mass confusion for Iowa at the end of the Cap One Bowl. Doesn't mean we didn't totally drop the ball from a clock-management standpoint.).

Point taken. It's dice. It was a good game. I dont know how you call it. Thats why the thread. I personally would have called a TO with just under 3 min, knowing I had one left and the 2 min mark, and tried to set up my D for a stand. They were driving, you are on your heels, gotta get a stop and hope for 3. Even if it doesnt work and you dont get the stop, you can still let them walk it in, you lose a TO but save alot of clock. Risky call, but if you are going for it, GO FOR IT!

 

[olddude]

And if you dont think the 12 men call, wasnt a given, you need to "think faster". That was the best coaching play I have seen in a looooooooong time. (I am an Iowa fan). It was played like a song. Gotta love it and there is no way to take away from it. I am not a NY fan, but my god, that was sweet. I can only hope someday our coaches see it and think that fast. I dont know who it was on the NY team, but somebody deserves a huge raise.

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

And if you dont think the 12 men call, wasnt a given, you need to "think faster". That was the best coaching play I have seen in a looooooooong time. (I am an Iowa fan). It was played like a song. Gotta love it and there is no way to take away from it. I am not a NY fan, but my god, that was sweet. I can only hope someday our coaches see it and think that fast. I dont know who it was on the NY team, but somebody deserves a huge raise.

Can someone please tell me why this was such a monumental call? Just because there were 12 men on the field it doesn't make it impossible to move the ball. I've seen offenses score against 12 men plenty. I guess they picked a decent time to do it, since I have since been told that if they were to do it more than once there was a chance NE could have been awarded a TD.

 

[olddude]

Can someone please tell me why this was such a monumental call? Just because there were 12 men on the field it doesn't make it impossible to move the ball. I've seen offenses score against 12 men plenty. I guess they picked a decent time to do it, since I have since been told that if they were to do it more than once there was a chance NE could have been awarded a TD.

Ahh. No. NE had the ball with very limited time. They snap the ball (NY has 12 men) the play plays out and NE gets X amount of yards. The flag was for 5. Granted had the play been for 20 yards it would have back fired, but so would have the call of letting them walk in for a TD. It was a risk. But if you commit to giving up a short play and not let anything get behind you (under 10) you are willing to give up a few yards for that many ticks off of a clock thats worth it's weight in gold.

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

Ahh. No. NE had the ball with very limited time. They snap the ball (NY has 12 men) the play plays out and NE gets X amount of yards. The flag was for 5. Granted had the play been for 20 yards it would have back fired, but so would have the call of letting them walk in for a TD. It was a risk. But if you commit to giving up a short play and not let anything get behind you (under 10) you are willing to give up a few yards for that many ticks off of a clock thats worth it's weight in gold.

My point is, is 1 more guy REALLY that big of a deal? Cuz I don't think so, unless you have practiced for it, and maybe they have. But if they get a 20 yd catch in the middle of the field, you just stopped the clock for them by having a penalty. I just don't see how it was sooooooo awesome.

 

[tm3308]

My point is, is 1 more guy REALLY that big of a deal? Cuz I don't think so, unless you have practiced for it, and maybe they have. But if they get a 20 yd catch in the middle of the field, you just stopped the clock for them by having a penalty. I just don't see how it was sooooooo awesome.

Any gutsy call like that is a roll of the dice. If it works, you're a genius. If it doesn't....well you might be looking for a new job in the near future (in many cases). Both coaches rolled the dice on what were good calls to make, but only one was going to work.

 

[woodyk1]

If the 12 men on the field was on purpose, why not put all 53/55 guys on the field? I mean, it's a penalty and they are much less likely to score, right?

 

[olddude]

If the 12 men on the field was on purpose, why not put all 53/55 guys on the field? I mean, it's a penalty and they are much less likely to score, right?

I cant say for sure it was. But given the way it played out, there were many signs that point to, it being a calculated risk.
Deep down coaching is coaching. It's not rocket science, you try and play better O then their D and you try and play better D then their O. You do what you can to limit the odds of them scoring. In baseball you might have a batter lean in, in basketball, you commit a foul and give up the ft, to try and get the ball back. I see no reason to think a coach of football, does not think the same way. Infact making that kind of coin, I should hope they are thinking that fast and running odds and risks. If not they should hire a bunch of people to sit up top and do it. It really is no different then those fakes that KF falls for all the time.
I agree time should be set back to the point of the foul, but only under the 2 min mark, otherwise the game could get out of hand.

 

[tweeterhawk]

I thought it was the wrong decision to let the Giants score the final touchdown, if in fact that's what it was. I think you continue to try to work for every conceivable outcome in your control while playing defense: a stop, a fumble, a pass interception (should the Giants be so foolish to try to run a passing play), a penalty or two to move the Giants back, a fumbled snap on a FG attempt or a block or missed FG). All of those outcomes seem more likely than scoring another touchdown with 57 seconds remaining.

Also thought it was questionable for the Giants not to try to score the touchdown. Again, all sorts of bad things happen if you take the chance on another play or plays -- a fumble, penalties, some other turnover, a missed or blocked FG. Take the six points, leave it to your defense to preserve the win.

Both QBs played equally well as did the rest of the rest of their teams. The difference was that Giants' receivers made the clutch catches for the win; the Pats' didn't.