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EsoxHawk

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I've been racking my brain for the better part of a week and have come up with Mark Turgeon...He's only paid $1.2 million, has Texas AM ranked in the top 25, has a coaching pedigree that may be equalled but certainly not surpassed by any other BCS conference coach, has ties to the midwest, and Iowa City is a far superior place to raise 3 young children than College Station, TX...

I've stated my case, discuss...
 
Just not sure if he is what we need right now, although he appears to be an outstanding coach...I would not be unhappy with him though...
 
Went to ISU and A&M game. Was very impressed. He runs a very good offense. Great ball movement.
 
Tweeter-not just because it was my idea, but why only a single? I think this is an under the radar homerun hire...He's only had 1 losing season in his entire career as a head coach, played under larry brown, and coached under larry brown and roy williams. After Bruce Pearl, who is a better choice?

Scott Drew? He's got ot a top 10 recruiting class coming in, and he's making baylor relevant at something...they aren't such at football, baseball or any of their other DI sports. I think Baylor matches our offer, or even exceeds it in the hopes to get him to stay and put Waco on the map for something other than the branch davidians...
 
I think if the course of action is to hire a new coach it will and should be someone that the vast number of fans would support. I think for a boost in sales next year the two points below should be satisfied with the next hire.

1. A guy who has some degree of success coaching
2. Someone boosters and fans can rally around

Knowing not a single person can satisfy every fans idea of who our coach should be, my guess is that it could be from this list. As each has had some level of success and is someone the fan base could recognize.

1. Bruce Pearl
2. Keno Davis
3. Kevin Stallings
4. Scott Drew
5. Long shot..... Tom Davis
 
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Are you people really serious?

tweeterhawk said:
Turgeon is a low shot into the gap for a single. Barta needs a grand slam homerun.
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Turgeon is in a state that produces more Division I talent in one year than Iowa produces in 10. Yes, Iowa has better tradition than A&M but tradition to kids today is the last 5-10 years, not the last 30.
Iowa could offer him $2M+ per year and he wouldn't give us the time of day. Coaches look at the overall picture when determining if they want to coach at a given school. Iowa is a harder place to win that Texas A&M. There, I said it. A&M's recruiting base dwarfs Iowa's.
Turgeon has good ties into the Houston high school scene. He's not going to Iowa just because it's closer to his alma mater, Kansas.

Only place I see Turgeon going is Oregon, where they could start throwing Phil Night money at him.
 
But ESOX- say Scott Drew would leave Baylor, do you think he is a better choice, even if he is unrealistic?

FWIW, I don't think it is going to be difficult to get someone to leave baylor for Iowa if the money is there, but that's just me being biased.
 
EsoxHawk said:
Tweeter-not just because it was my idea, but why only a single? I think this is an under the radar homerun hire...He's only had 1 losing season in his entire career as a head coach, played under larry brown, and coached under larry brown and roy williams. After Bruce Pearl, who is a better choice?

Scott Drew? He's got ot a top 10 recruiting class coming in, and he's making baylor relevant at something...they aren't such at football, baseball or any of their other DI sports. I think Baylor matches our offer, or even exceeds it in the hopes to get him to stay and put Waco on the map for something other than the branch davidians...
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I'm not saying he would be a bad hire. I just think Barta needs a bigger name that can reconnect the fan base, stir up the students and put butts in the CHA seats without having to give away ice cream or pizza.
 
Re: Are you people really serious?

Dodger-You could say that about his home state too...he recruited TX well from Wichita St.

BS-I haven't seen Baylor play enough to know.
 
Hawkeye fans you guys are going to be disappointed. You had to settle for a mid major coach 3 years ago when your team wasn't nearly as bad as they are now. You guys are going to struggle to get a big name in right now. Stallings, Pearl, Turgeon are not going to leave their top 25 teams to come to Iowa.

IMO the best case and what I would do is to go and get a top level assistant at the major level. Someone that can come in and recruit right away.
 
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Hawkeye fans you guys are going to be disappointed. You had to settle for a mid major coach 3 years ago when your team wasn't nearly as bad as they are now. You guys are going to struggle to get a big name in right now. Stallings, Pearl, Turgeon are not going to leave their top 25 teams to come to Iowa.

IMO the best case and what I would do is to go and get a top level assistant at the major level. Someone that can come in and recruit right away.
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CyClown, I am certain Barta, with the help of the Iowa alumni base, can put together an attractive package to get a strong coach this time. How's your search for a MBB head coach going? Oh, wait ...
 
Cyclone-I disagree entirely. Say what you will about ESPN being an unbiased source, but they recently ranked Iowa as a top 10 basketball program of all time. The foundation is in place for someone to come in and compete on a national stage from both a historical and future perspective (HS talent in the state, Bball facilities, etc).

Why wouldn't someone jump at the opportunity to wake a sleeping giant?
 
tweeterhawk said:
CyClown, I am certain Barta, with the help of the Iowa alumni base, can put together an attractive package to get a strong coach this time. How's your search for a MBB head coach going? Oh, wait ...
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No question that Iowa can probably fork out some cash for a coach. They have some deep pockets...but they aren't getting Pearl from Tennessee. He made 2.4 million this year. For Iowa to even make him look they would have to pay him around 3.5 million. I doubt Barta wants to pay a coach that much money and even if he does I doubt Pearl would still even consider it. If Pearl keeps doing what he is doing he could be in line for a big time job if it were to come open in 5 years. Duke maybe?

EsoxHawk said:
Cyclone-I disagree entirely. Say what you will about ESPN being an unbiased source, but they recently ranked Iowa as a top 10 basketball program of all time. The foundation is in place for someone to come in and compete on a national stage from both a historical and future perspective (HS talent in the state, Bball facilities, etc).

Why wouldn't someone jump at the opportunity to wake a sleeping giant?
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Iowa all time is a top 10 program. But not the last 20 years. That is all that matters anymore. The foundation is not in place for the Hawks right now. I am not being mean, it just isn't. And I don't know how you can say they are a sleeping giant. How are they a sleeping in the same conference that has big time coaches that recruit big time players like Matta, Izzo, Ryan, Painter, and to a lesser extent Tubby, Weber, etc. I think it is a very tough position for any coach to take right now......especially with the little talent that Iowa has on their roster right now

If McDermott was going to be fired I was going to be realistic. We aren't going to hire a big name coach so let's get the next big thing. A great assistant from a big time school. No BCS level coach that is having success is going to leave his job for Iowa or Iowa State. It's just not going to happen
 
EsoxHawk said:
Cyclone-I disagree entirely. Say what you will about ESPN being an unbiased source, but they recently ranked Iowa as a top 10 basketball program of all time. The foundation is in place for someone to come in and compete on a national stage from both a historical and future perspective (HS talent in the state, Bball facilities, etc).

Why wouldn't someone jump at the opportunity to wake a sleeping giant?
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Notre Dame is considered one of the top football programs of all time and look at the struggles they have had finding a coach. Guys have turned them down because it is much harder to win there now than it ever has been.

We live in an instant gratification age. If you are looking at a BCS level coach it would be extremely hard to pull them away from their current school if they are having any kind of success. These guys know hard it is
to build a program.

Someone on this board smarter than I probably can pull this stat, but I would be curious to find out in the last 10-15 years how many coaches from the Pac 10 , Big 10, Big East, SEC, ACC, Big 12 who had success at their current school actually moved to a different job in a comparable conference to coach a different team. Here are the ones I am familiar with,

Gillespe left Texas A & M to go to Kentucky (Iowa is not Kentucky)
Barnes left Clemson to go Texas (Texas easy to recruit to get away from Duke and N.C)
Sendick left NC State to go to Arizona State (Sendick was booted from NC State I believe.)
Self left Illinois to go to Kansas ( Went to a traditional program)
Huggins left KSU for WVU (Born and Raised in WV plus a good program for the past 10 years)
Crean left Marquette for Indiana(Again went to a strong tradition program)
Tubbs does not count he was out of job when Minny hired him.

So recent history says pulling a big name guy from a major conference
not too likely. Not saying it could not happen, the odds are against it.
 
fsanford said:
Notre Dame is considered one of the top football programs of all time and look at the struggles they have had finding a coach. Guys have turned them down because it is much harder to win there now than it ever has been.

We live in an instant gratification age. If you are looking at a BCS level coach it would be extremely hard to pull them away from their current school if they are having any kind of success. These guys know hard it is
to build a program.

Someone on this board smarter than I probably can pull this stat, but I would be curious to find out in the last 10-15 years how many coaches from the Pac 10 , Big 10, Big East, SEC, ACC, Big 12 who had success at their current school actually moved to a different job in a comparable conference to coach a different team. Here are the ones I am familiar with,

Gillespe left Texas A & M to go to Kentucky (Iowa is not Kentucky)
Barnes left Clemson to go Texas (Texas easy to recruit to get away from Duke and N.C)
Sendick left NC State to go to Arizona State (Sendick was booted from NC State I believe.)
Self left Illinois to go to Kansas ( Went to a traditional program)
Huggins left KSU for WVU (Born and Raised in WV plus a good program for the past 10 years)
Crean left Marquette for Indiana(Again went to a strong tradition program)
Tubbs does not count he was out of job when Minny hired him.

So recent history says pulling a big name guy from a major conference
not too likely. Not saying it could not happen, the odds are against it.
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Thanks for saying it the way that I wanted to but obviously couldn't. Not saying it isn't possible but rather it is unlikely that Iowa will get a guy from a big time school.

Look at where guys like Thad Matta, Bruce Weber, Bo Ryan came from. Not big conference schools. There are only about 10 schools right now that I think can go after another high conference coach and get him to leave for that school.

UCLA, Kentucky, Duke, UNC, Kansas, Indiana, Texas, Michigan St, UCONN, Syracuse. Maybe schools like Florida, Oklahoma, Villanova, Pittsburgh.
 
Anyone paying attention to what Turgeon's Aggies are up to tonight???

TAMU is not a premiere program, nor a top 50 program. I've got $2 million reasons why he'd listen.

My bad on the first sentence here...relying on espn's sporadic updates...
 
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