Where does Marble go next year?

[DuffMan]

With Gesell comming in as the hier apparent, where does Marble go? The more I watch him the more convinced I am he's NOT a SG. He just doenst have the range or consistency from behind the arc to play there. A SG needs to comman respect to 24 feet, he needs to get his defender out of the lane. I don't think Marble does that.

I think he gets some time at the PG, but also plays a bit of 3.

 

[JHHawk]

He came in with the reputation as a shooter from the arc. He needs to shoot 1000 shots from the arc every day this offseason. He made a good improvement on his mid-range game from his frosh to soph year,and he is still the youngest guy in the rotation. He will continue to build strength which also will help his range.

All that being said,I see him as a three who can score anywhere on the floor. He is a good rebounder even with his slight frame,so I am fine with him as a point forward type of player. Versatile is good at all positions.

 

[Section136]

With Gesell comming in as the hier apparent, where does Marble go? The more I watch him the more convinced I am he's NOT a SG. He just doenst have the range or consistency from behind the arc to play there. A SG needs to comman respect to 24 feet, he needs to get his defender out of the lane. I don't think Marble does that.

I think he gets some time at the PG, but also plays a bit of 3.

A shooting guard needs to command respect from 2 feet behind the NBA 3-point line? I dont think so. How many SG's in the college game can say they demand respect from 24 feet?

Marble may not have a consistent 3-point shot yet but he still is only a sophomore. Im guessing that will be a focus of his this offseason. He already has a pretty sold pull-up jumper out to about 17 feet. If he does develop a consistent 3-point shot, watch out.

 

[bpiercehawks]

I think we play our best basketball players. Doesn't matter what "number" they are.

Mike G
Marble
White
Mel - if he decides to cowboy up
Woody

Oglesby, May, McCabe could sneak in there if Mel is AWOL

 

[hawkIhoops]

IMO, Marble will move to a 3. Marble has done a tremendous job this year, but isn't quick enough on either end of the court to deal with the water bug PG's like Frazier. Frazier got to the paint at will last night with his crossover and Marble is just too lanky to stay with those jet quick guys. With a legit 1 &2 on the floor, Marble will be able to attack off the dribble, crash the boards and post guys up. He has a complete game, but he has had to modify it due to playing the PG and being a distributor.

 

[hawkfarmer]

I think we play our best basketball players. Doesn't matter what "number" they are.

Mike G
Marble
White
Mel - if he decides to cowboy up
Woody

Oglesby, May, McCabe could sneak in there if Mel is AWOL

I was with you until you put May in there.

I think that Ingram will get some good minutes if he is as lock down as predicted, though starting is not going to happen.

 

[CGHawk]

He just doenst have the range or consistency from behind the arc to play there. A SG needs to comman respect to 24 feet, he needs to get his defender out of the lane. I don't think Marble does that.

I think he gets some time at the PG, but also plays a bit of 3.

That is not necessarily true.

DeMar Derozan is not the greatest 3 point shooter and he is a SG in the NBA for the Toronto Raptors. He gets many of his points from driving and hitting 2 point shots. Not much of a 3 point/long range shooter. I think he is capable of hitting a wide open 3 point shot if his defender sags off of him too much. He won't make it all the time, but he is capable of making it. (In fact, I think he only averages 1 3pt shot attempt per game and shoots the 3 at about 21% in his career)

I think Marble is very similar. I think if Marble is left open for 3 that he is capable of making it. I think Marble just lacks the confidence from beyond the arc right now, but I think that will improve next year.

However, I do like Marble at PG. He really does play a lot better when takes the ball up the court and has it in his hands more. He creates good shots off the dribble for himself and I don't think he does all that great of a job creating space from movement off the ball. (At least, I haven't really noticed it.)

It will be interesting to see what happens with him next year, but I'm guessing Fran will keep him at the 2 spot and maybe put him in at PG occasionally, depending on how good Gessel and Clemmons are.

 

[bpiercehawks]

In watching last night I almost felt bad for May. I just think that his experience and defense will keep him in the rotation. I'm all for a fire sale at this point because we're not very good.

I was with you until you put May in there.

I think that Ingram will get some good minutes if he is as lock down as predicted, though starting is not going to happen.

 

[goods10]

I think we play our best basketball players. Doesn't matter what "number" they are.

Mike G
Marble
White
Mel - if he decides to cowboy up
Woody

Oglesby, May, McCabe could sneak in there if Mel is AWOL

One could argue that McCabe is better than Mel.

 

[SheagleHawk]

I was with you until you put May in there.

I think that Ingram will get some good minutes if he is as lock down as predicted, though starting is not going to happen.

This. No way May sees time over Ingram. Ingram's offensive game is light years ahead of May, and he will likely be a better defender. He's quicker and a better ball handler. If May sees more than 5mins/game next year, we are in trouble.

 

[DuffMan]

That is not necessarily true.

DeMar Derozan is not the greatest 3 point shooter and he is a SG in the NBA for the Toronto Raptors. He gets many of his points from driving and hitting 2 point shots. Not much of a 3 point/long range shooter. I think he is capable of hitting a wide open 3 point shot if his defender sags off of him too much. He won't make it all the time, but he is capable of making it. (In fact, I think he only averages 1 3pt shot attempt per game and shoots the 3 at about 21% in his career)

I think Marble is very similar. I think if Marble is left open for 3 that he is capable of making it. I think Marble just lacks the confidence from beyond the arc right now, but I think that will improve next year.

However, I do like Marble at PG. He really does play a lot better when takes the ball up the court and has it in his hands more. He creates good shots off the dribble for himself and I don't think he does all that great of a job creating space from movement off the ball. (At least, I haven't really noticed it.)

It will be interesting to see what happens with him next year, but I'm guessing Fran will keep him at the 2 spot and maybe put him in at PG occasionally, depending on how good Gessel and Clemmons are.

DeMar Derozan was in the slam dunk contest as a rookie last year. Marble isn't that kind of freak athlete.

 

[DuffMan]

A shooting guard needs to command respect from 2 feet behind the NBA 3-point line? I dont think so. How many SG's in the college game can say they demand respect from 24 feet?

Marble may not have a consistent 3-point shot yet but he still is only a sophomore. Im guessing that will be a focus of his this offseason. He already has a pretty sold pull-up jumper out to about 17 feet. If he does develop a consistent 3-point shot, watch out.

First of all it's not 2 feet behind the NBA line (23'9), second a SG should command respect out to 24 feet. They don't have to necessarily shoot it regularly, but they need to draw a defender. An unguarded SG at 24 feet takes one step in and comfortably shoots a 22 footer.

 

[mbchawk]

Meyer may take Mel's spot. He is taller/bigger and has better basketball skills than both Mel and Zack, imo.

 

[CGHawk]

DeMar Derozan was in the slam dunk contest as a rookie last year. Marble isn't that kind of freak athlete.

I wouldn't expect Marble to be on the same level as DeRozan. DeRozan is in the NBA. Marble is still in college.

My point is that the SG position does not necessarily require you to be a 3pt shooter. I also think Marble is probably a decent 3pt shooter but he prefers to drive.

Marble is also very good at creating space on the dribble with his step-back. I haven't noticed defenders sag off him really. It seems like they usually come out to defend him, but I could be wrong. He seems to have respect from 3pt range.

Do defenders really sag off of him? (Honest question) I'm not trying to sound like a dick here. I honestly don't know if they do or not. I guess I haven't really paid that close of attention to it. It isn't noticeable to me. I do notice that he passes up some open looks from the 3pt range though that he should probably take.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

Marble will be a match-up nightmare for teams at the 2-3. Especially if he refines his outside shot.

 

[CGHawk]

Marble will be a match-up nightmare for teams at the 2-3. Especially if he refines his outside shot.

I agree. Every game I say "If Marble improved his outside game, off-ball movement(creating space) and became a deadly 3pt shooter... He would be damn near impossible to defend.

 

[herbyhawk]

not sure how anyone can say Ingram has better skills than May as he hasn't stepped on the court in a Hawk uniform and there is little to no video out there on him that i know of,
Marble took 41 3's and made 11 for 26%, he has taken 27 and made 8 for 29%, when he doesn't shoot them nobody can make the claim he can't.
his father didn't extend his range until his jr year, if Marble goes 2-3 from 3 in the next couple of games his avg jumps to 33%, lets wait till he put up 75-80 3's before determining his ability to make them, as for where he playes he is more than quick enough to play the 2, as for dunking i think his dunk over Sampson that is up for play of the year speaks for itself and also speaks volumes about his athletic ability, White is a outside-in player and is a matchup problem for the other team, he can hit the 3 and finish at the rim, something i wish Basabe would do but only the otherway around be a inside-out player that plays mainly inside that can step out and hit a occassional 17-18' shot

 

[LG210]

First of all it's not 2 feet behind the NBA line (23'9), second a SG should command respect out to 24 feet. They don't have to necessarily shoot it regularly, but they need to draw a defender. An unguarded SG at 24 feet takes one step in and comfortably shoots a 22 footer.

lol... sounds like they need to command respect out to 22 feet.

 

[GhostofBTT]

...and Basabe is going to leave early for the draft too?

 

[CGHawk]

not sure how anyone can say Ingram has better skills than May as he hasn't stepped on the court in a Hawk uniform

If you are referring to me:

I just want to clear up any confusion in my post. I didn't meant to say that Ingram is better than May, because you are absolutely right... I don't know if he is or not.

I just saw a video of Ingram and thought he looked very good on both sides of the ball. However, they aren't going to show him playing poorly in a highlight video and I understand that. I just think that Ingram looks like he has the tools to surpass May, assuming that May does not improve much.

It just seems that May is relying on his athleticism at this point and it isn't exactly cutting it a lot of times. I hope May improves and it is a constant battle of who gets more minutes/the starting job/etc.