Big Ten expansion highlights Fox push for leverage
Plenty of smoke out there. If we have to go to 16, I like these additions more than #13 and #14, although I understand why those schools were added, just not very exciting from a sports perspective.
Where does expansion go from here?
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Big Ten expansion highlights Fox push for leverage
Plenty of smoke out there. If we have to go to 16, I like these additions more than #13 and #14, although I understand why those schools were added, just not very exciting from a sports perspective.
HawkeyesWin
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If anything , ND's success this year will make them more entrenched than ever. I also don't see the B12 bending over for them as long as Texas is calling the shots.
Kansas doesn't bring anything to the table financially that wouldn't have been gained by adding mizzou so i don't see us going that direction.
UNC makes sense to me as does GA Tech.
Kansas doesn't bring anything to the table financially that wouldn't have been gained by adding mizzou so i don't see us going that direction.
UNC makes sense to me as does GA Tech.
Again, the Kansas thing might be about Fox wanting a strong college hoops product. With UCLA, Zona, Kansas, The Big Ten Schools and UNC, they would have a good foundation.
Remember Rupert crushed CNN and they owned the news market as much as ESPN owns the sports market. What if Fox told Delaney that Kansas was worth a certain dollar amount a year as a way to help build their market. You know, kind of the way they overpaid for that first NFL contract?
Remember Rupert crushed CNN and they owned the news market as much as ESPN owns the sports market. What if Fox told Delaney that Kansas was worth a certain dollar amount a year as a way to help build their market. You know, kind of the way they overpaid for that first NFL contract?
troy
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Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen. Nothing will be left in the ACC for Notre Dame to join. The Domers will join us, or be destroyed!
Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Aaaah ha ha ha ha ha! ha ha... ha...
Palpatine, how about a possible Saturday Night Live style sketch/spoof satirizing the strategery:
From the control room at the conference headquarters, the epic, monomaniacal character of the Commish stares at a glistening, Notre Dame helmet, which sits in the middle of a lighted, color-coded, conference expansion map. The Commish strategizes about a golden alliance with the Fighting Irish and theorizes that acquiring Maryland will weaken the ACC, thereby forcing Notre Dame to join his alliance, thus providing him access to the true object of his desire, the Golden Dome. Cue maniacal laugh.
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MoseSchrute
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We're a basketball conference now.
Eh, tOSU and Michigan are on their way back in football, Nebraska is also looking pretty menacing next year too.
As for the topic at hand.. I see the Big12 dissolving..
Pac12 : Oklahoma / Oklahoma St. / Iowa St. / TCU or Baylor.. Texas Tech strikes me as very Boise St. ish academically?
Big10 : Maryland / Rutgers ------ I think Texas and ND. Think of Texas TV market with the Big + the addition of those two east coast schools. I think that may have been the play all along. My only real question here, and I haven't particularly looked into it, would be the Longhorn Network. Also it's pretty clear Jim is hell bent on killing the ACC which ND joined.. That one kind of makes sense, and is pretty hilarious.
SEC : VA Tech, Georgia Tech, NC State, Clemson? The SEC kind of gets whoever they want on the east coast tbh..
This leaves a Mix of the ACC/Big East/Big12 stragglers..
I see something like this : Kansas, KState, Duke, UNC, Syracuse, Florida St, Wake Forest, Virginia, Louisville, Syracuse, UConn, Pitt, Cinci, BC, Baylor, Texas Tech.
TBH this looks like a pretty amazing Bball conference.
Pretty sure the B12 will win the battle with the ACC. I didn't think so until Bowlsby took that job. He is so closely connected to Delaney and Scott that it is hard to imagine that they aren't all in cahoots.
The P12 doesn't really need any more sets. What they do need is games in the CTZ. Too many people just can't see P12 games. But having teams in 3 time zones will help. This is why Kansas and Oklahoma schools are not out of the question without Texas.
Also, remember, the B1G and P12 don't need the Texas market, because they are working on the Fox national network, of which Texas is already a part. These conferences are basically going to all be network partners together.
The P12 doesn't really need any more sets. What they do need is games in the CTZ. Too many people just can't see P12 games. But having teams in 3 time zones will help. This is why Kansas and Oklahoma schools are not out of the question without Texas.
Also, remember, the B1G and P12 don't need the Texas market, because they are working on the Fox national network, of which Texas is already a part. These conferences are basically going to all be network partners together.
The Bugeaters are not part of the AAU. It isn't about prestige or ethics anymore, it's all about the Benjamin's.
MoseSchrute
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Yes, they do. With that many teams, it's essentially two conferences pretending to be one. And g11, I was joking.
eyekwah
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There is a concept called cascading, where a change at the first level cascades through to lower level tables. From my analysis there are three first level conferences, Big Ten, SEC, and Pac 12. When a change is made by any of these three conferences it cascades changes to the second and third level conferences. At this point the impact of adding Maryland and Rutgers affects the ACC and Big East. Two things are going to happen, the ACC and Big East will find replacements from third level conferences and more current members will exit to higher level conferences; B1G, SEC.
At this point, if 16 team conferences are to be, then here are the first level vacancies; B1G = 2, SEC = 2, and PAC = 4. The only second level conference that counts is the Big 12, which has 6 if all current members stay. More if current members move up to a first level. There are only two conferences where the first level conferences want to draw from, the ACC and the Big 12. The Big East has no one the Big Ten or SEC wants. Logically that leaves the ACC as the primary source for the B1G and maybe a team from the B1G 12. The SEC has the same two conferences as the primary source of candidates, but its has a differennt candidate list than the B1G, with the exception of North Carolina.
My belief is that the B1G will focus on two more ACC teams; Virginia and North Carolina. The SEC will focus on Virginia Tech, North Carolina or North Carolina State. The PAC 12 is limited pretty much to the Big 12 or Mountain West for candidates. It is a stretch but New Mexico could plug in geographically to fill the gap from Arizona to Texas making it more attractive for Texas, Kansas, and Oklahoma to move to the PAC 12. What happens then is an amalgamation of the Big 12, Big East, and ACC. No guess how this shakes out, but here is a partial list of possible members.
accxiieast conference
iowa state
oklahoma state
kansas state
tcu
baylor
texas tech
uconn
syracuse
pitt
west virginia
louisville
Cincinnati
florida state
clemson
georgia tech
boston college
duke
wake forest
south florida
At this point, if 16 team conferences are to be, then here are the first level vacancies; B1G = 2, SEC = 2, and PAC = 4. The only second level conference that counts is the Big 12, which has 6 if all current members stay. More if current members move up to a first level. There are only two conferences where the first level conferences want to draw from, the ACC and the Big 12. The Big East has no one the Big Ten or SEC wants. Logically that leaves the ACC as the primary source for the B1G and maybe a team from the B1G 12. The SEC has the same two conferences as the primary source of candidates, but its has a differennt candidate list than the B1G, with the exception of North Carolina.
My belief is that the B1G will focus on two more ACC teams; Virginia and North Carolina. The SEC will focus on Virginia Tech, North Carolina or North Carolina State. The PAC 12 is limited pretty much to the Big 12 or Mountain West for candidates. It is a stretch but New Mexico could plug in geographically to fill the gap from Arizona to Texas making it more attractive for Texas, Kansas, and Oklahoma to move to the PAC 12. What happens then is an amalgamation of the Big 12, Big East, and ACC. No guess how this shakes out, but here is a partial list of possible members.
accxiieast conference
iowa state
oklahoma state
kansas state
tcu
baylor
texas tech
uconn
syracuse
pitt
west virginia
louisville
Cincinnati
florida state
clemson
georgia tech
boston college
duke
wake forest
south florida
DwayneTwill
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tl;dr.
MeatMan
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this. just go big time and let everyone get settled in. this chaos every two years is dumb. pluck out Virginia for le academics, and then nab UNC if they're willing and be done with it.
GhostofBTT
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what about the AAU makes a school prestigious or ethical. I'd like to add some teams with a football program...
This would be my choice also. Atlanta was seeing tremendous growth before the economic meltdown and it will start to grow again when the recovery is in full swing. More than 5 million people down here, and the suburbs are full of families who migrated from Big10 country.
