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almost every play all season long is done for a reason. Saturday they ran adam to the left three times in a series just to set up that naked boot and the long pass to mc nutt. Yes it was consevative after we got up 17---but when teams run their computer programs to catch tendencies---they are not going to see what we are really going to run when we need it in the clutch. Every team enters all the tendencies into a program and that is what is written on those little sheets they carry around on the sideline. It was pretty obvious in the first half that we could have passed on them all day long
 
Could not agree more with this post. I wish the KOK bashers would sit back and think a little bit about what Iowa is doing --- they are trying to win 6, 7 or 8 Big Ten games, not just one game.

Once the game is won, what is the point of running up the score? You don't get any "extra credit" for that.
 
ChosenChildren said:
Could not agree more with this post. I wish the KOK bashers would sit back and think a little bit about what Iowa is doing --- they are trying to win 6, 7 or 8 Big Ten games, not just one game.

Once the game is won, what is the point of running up the score? You don't get any "extra credit" for that.
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On the whole I agree with you but in the eyes of the poll voters and bowl selection committees 38 or 45 to 3 (or even 10) looks more impressive than 24-3. But I'm not troubled with going conservative and sitting on 17-3 and letting the defense take over.
 
ChosenChildren said:
Could not agree more with this post. I wish the KOK bashers would sit back and think a little bit about what Iowa is doing --- they are trying to win 6, 7 or 8 Big Ten games, not just one game.

Once the game is won, what is the point of running up the score? You don't get any "extra credit" for that.
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If the coaches didn't feel like Coker or Rogers could get any carries (presumably because they didn't want to risk a fumble) then the game wasn't won at halftime, which is how it's been portrayed. People don't want the Hawks to run it up. I'm all for letting off the gas and letting the defense take over when we get up by three possessions. That way, any fluke play doesn't make it a ball game, and you get what appears to be a more convincing win. Get up by 3 scores, and try to get the 2nd teamers some reps against a solid Big Ten squad. That's not running it up, folks.

And you don't get any "extra credit" for running it up? Again, I don't advocate it, but where have you been? Oregon has jumped all up the polls because they've been hanging half a C-note on everyone.
 
Forget the polls. If Iowa wins out they play in the Rose Bowl.

Iowa plays with the lead the same way year after year and people complain year after year. Iowa is a much better team with an early lead. Sure the offensive calling is more conservative with the lead but why risk turnovers with the consistently good Iowa defense almost always keeping the other team out of the endzone.

Just remember, there aren't too many teams with more wins than Iowa over the last decade or so.
 
tm3308 said:
If the coaches didn't feel like Coker or Rogers could get any carries (presumably because they didn't want to risk a fumble) then the game wasn't won at halftime, which is how it's been portrayed. People don't want the Hawks to run it up. I'm all for letting off the gas and letting the defense take over when we get up by three possessions. That way, any fluke play doesn't make it a ball game, and you get what appears to be a more convincing win. Get up by 3 scores, and try to get the 2nd teamers some reps against a solid Big Ten squad. That's not running it up, folks.

And you don't get any "extra credit" for running it up? Again, I don't advocate it, but where have you been? Oregon has jumped all up the polls because they've been hanging half a C-note on everyone.
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True I like what they are doing but early in the season pollsters like those high scores. That is not the big ten but thats what they want.
 
The coaches know that Iowa has a reputation of packing stadiums for bowl games so they have the luxury of not going for style points which is doubly fortunate as it fits perfectly with the Kirk Ferentz style of coaching.
 
ChosenChildren said:
Once the game is won, what is the point of running up the score? You don't get any "extra credit" for that.
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It's working for Oregon, as they are jumping other teams who are also undefeated and winning.

Some 'experts' have said that Oregon should be ranked ahead of OSU due to OSU's 'lackluster' win over Illinois. I don't know if it was really that or not, as I didn't watch. But yes, teams do get "extra credit" whether you want to believe it or not.
 
CharlestonHawkeye said:
Forget the polls. If Iowa wins out they play in the Rose Bowl.

Iowa plays with the lead the same way year after year and people complain year after year. Iowa is a much better team with an early lead. Sure the offensive calling is more conservative with the lead but why risk turnovers with the consistently good Iowa defense almost always keeping the other team out of the endzone.

Just remember, there aren't too many teams with more wins than Iowa over the last decade or so.
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Absolutely!
 
silvanthalas said:
It's working for Oregon, as they are jumping other teams who are also undefeated and winning.

Some 'experts' have said that Oregon should be ranked ahead of OSU due to OSU's 'lackluster' win over Illinois. I don't know if it was really that or not, as I didn't watch. But yes, teams do get "extra credit" whether you want to believe it or not.
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Oregon jumped a team that won by 59 so obviously running up the score doesn't work for everyone.
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
Illinois is not a quality opponent.
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Illinois is a BCS opponent, regardless.

I don't like the fact that teams run up the score, nor the fact that teams feel they have to. But it IS working for Oregon. It worked for USC. Boise St and TCU know that continuing to do so will be the only way they can get into the NC game.
 
Iowa runs its program like a quality NFL team. They play 3 phases of the game style and they don't need to win by 500 points to win a game. A win is a win to The Captain and company. The offense can put points up when needed and showed that on Saturday night. I wouldn't be worried at all with the way Iowa has been playing this year. Outside of a poorly executed game at times in AZ, they are doing the right things when called upon. Totally agree with the comments from OP.
 
silvanthalas said:
Illinois is a BCS opponent, regardless.

I don't like the fact that teams run up the score, nor the fact that teams feel they have to. But it IS working for Oregon. It worked for USC. Boise St and TCU know that continuing to do so will be the only way they can get into the NC game.
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I agree TCU and Boise St need to do it. But I don't think teams in BCS conferences need to, they'll get enough shots at quality opponents over the course of the season that all they need to do is win. But if I'm Chris Petersen at Boise now I would start laying down some serious scores. I'm talking putting 70+ up every game if you can, this is probably the best shot they will ever have at getting to the title game, things are going to get a lot tougher for them in the MWC next season.
 
After the Game Stanzi was quoted as saying a "punt is a good thing"

The strategy Iowa should was improving field position by using whole team, not just opening up the offensive play book. Punt, let your strength come through(D) and take what your given. Penn St. might be in a down year but they are still a top 30 team. A win is a win and Iowa may not be pretty, but find ways to get wins.
Running up the score is not something a "Class Act" Coach does. Especially when you are going up against a Coach you respect!
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
I agree TCU and Boise St need to do it. But I don't think teams in BCS conferences need to, they'll get enough shots at quality opponents over the course of the season that all they need to do is win. But if I'm Chris Petersen at Boise now I would start laying down some serious scores. I'm talking putting 70+ up every game if you can, this is probably the best shot they will ever have at getting to the title game, things are going to get a lot tougher for them in the MWC next season.
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BCS teams still benefit from running it up. Like you said, they all get shots at quality opponents. So what happens when there is more than 2 undefeated teams? They all beat quality opponents, so the only way to move up is to win more impressively than the others.

Oregon has been moving up all season. They have play Stanford. That's it. Tennessee blows, and then they beat up the the blind in their other OOC games.

Again, I don't want us running it up. Get a 3-possession lead, and sit on it, I'm cool with that. But don't pretend that running it up, particularly against quality opponents, isn't EXTREMELY beneficial in this day and age.
 
coralville said:
almost every play all season long is done for a reason. Saturday they ran adam to the left three times in a series just to set up that naked boot and the long pass to mc nutt. Yes it was consevative after we got up 17---but when teams run their computer programs to catch tendencies---they are not going to see what we are really going to run when we need it in the clutch. Every team enters all the tendencies into a program and that is what is written on those little sheets they carry around on the sideline. It was pretty obvious in the first half that we could have passed on them all day long
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Thanks for posting this. I've found this to be a true but little known fact about the Iowa offense.

My only real criticism of the offense last year was that they often went for that low percentage home run ball when a high percentage check down to keep the chains moving would have been more likely to help the team by resting the defense. It turns out this was Ricky's fault for not being patient....not Ken's fault.
 
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