What if KOK were Iowa's OC this year?

Golfer said:
I don't think it was the primary read. I had thought even JVB said it wasn't option #1?
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So one of the 3 grade school flag football hitch routes were suppose to fool the D?

The only thing I would put blame on JVB for was not calling an audible at the line to switch that god awful play.
 
They had man coverage down field. It would have been a tight throw, but JVB didn't even look. Look, I'm not happy about trying to use an offense when clearly the receivers don't know where to go to either, but this play call had one, maybe two other viable options.

Not that anyone cares, but running the ball into 8 in the box has just been painful to watch. And if you watch JVB closely, he audibles into this a lot. Audibles into it. After reading the defense. I'm not sure what is going on, but I think one thing might be a complete lack of faith that the receivers are going to be in the correct routes and spots.

I just think it's premature at this point to place all of the blame on the play calling. At least with KoK we had years to watch his tendencies. We haven't had that with GD, nor do we have a bunch of talent. I'm not sure this team could execute a KoK game plan right now. JVB had no time at all last week. And Purdue brought corners, lb's and safeties all game long.
 
JonDMiller said:
Funny to think, right, given how much heat he took...

I think they are 6-4 at worst and likely 7-3. Do you score more than 9pts against ISU? I think so. Do you beat CMU? Probably. Do you split with Purdue/Indiana? Not a reach.

I am not on the 'Fire Greg Davis' train. I want to see another season with the kids coming back in year two. Kirk is no fool but he can't really want an offense that is doing so much targeting underneath that compresses the entire passing scheme and then hurts the running scheme..but if Iowa continues to attack laterally and underneath next season, forgoing the deeper and intermediate passing game, then I will definitely have a different opinion next year.

Then again, maybe there would not be a difference. It's not like Iowa had an offensive powerhouse during the KOK years.
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Jon Miller I really like your writings for the most part but on this one you must be insane. How can you fail to realize that this guy does not deserve another season? He has done nothing to utilize the strengths of our veteran players this season with this offense that he stated that he would do. He has actually done the complete opposite. You even broke down the numbers yourself. Haven't we increased our 5 yard and under passing attempts a staggering 12% and decreased our 15+ yard pass attempts by 8%?? I think a team of monkeys playing defense could figure our strategy out. We run the ball to bring the defense into the box and then we throw into that same 5 yard area when the opponents are already drawn in?? How could a guy making 6 figures deserve another chance? Doesn't he get compensated to work around these kinks? It's a joke. You shouldn't be so afraid to rock the boat Jon. I don't think that Kirk should be fired but I also think that you are afraid to voice some of your opinions because you are afraid what Kirk Ferentz might think of you. He gets paid to WIN football games and you get paid to praise and critique when they are both necessary. This is one of those moments where Greg Davis should be getting shredded and if Kirk supports Greg and this offense he should get picked a part too. Fourth and 3 against Purdue and we run a zero yard passing route to Zach Derby? That is not playing to win with the game on the line. It says a hell of a lot more. I mean dont these stats support me through 10 GAMES!!

James Vandenberg 5 TD
Keenan Davis 1 TD
CJ Fiedorowicz 1 TD
Kavonte Martin-Manley 2 TD

It's a joke we should not support this trash for another season and neither should you Jon. You are way too conservative sometimes my man. I couldn't disagree with you more. But I still love you, but not that way though. :) Just don't agree.
 
Without question, we would have had a much better season with KOK running the offense. I don't think
Kirk Ferentz realized how lateral Greg Davis' offensive scheme would be when he hired him. It has stifled the running game. Opposing defenses know whether we run or pass the play will be within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage 90% of the time. Defenses can figure out the other 10% based on our formations and substitutions. Defenses have swarmed all over us close to the line. KOK was conservative, but he seemed to open things up some with an experienced QB. He would have utilized Vandy from the shotgun and at least let him throw downfield to take advantage of his arm strength.

Ferentz' philosophy is play smart football - minimize turnovers, use field position to your advantage, play solid defense, prevent big plays and be fundamentally sound. His offenses and defenses play more conservative football when the team is young or less talented. That's smart football. Make no mistake, this is entirely Greg Davis' offense - he's called every play this year. Obviously, it's not an offense that can be learned right away - it ruined a decent 5th year senior QB completely. I'm guessing that's why we have not seen Rudock play. Kirk does not want his confidence messed up. Success builds confidence and confidence is contagious. This years team has experienced the opposite effect. I think we would have beaten CMU, Indiana and Purdue. Who knows how good the defense could be if they weren't on the field 70% of every game. I'm hoping Kirk makes Brian O.C. and lets Davis walk. Brian's a smart young coach. If anyone can make Kirk evolve some.....Brian would be the guy to do it.
 
okeefe4prez said:
My preseason thoughts were that this team had 6-7 win floor with O'Keefe and 3-4 win floor with GD.

As the last defender of JVB standing, the kid IS NOT AS BAD AS HE LOOKS. Yes, McNutt helped a lot last season, but JVB threw 25 TDs against 7 picks last year. That is precisely the boring, average QB play we need to win 7 or 8 games. And we saw some glimpses from the youngster in 2010 at Columbus with the great TD pass in a narrow window and the TD pass that Terry S dropped. The raw talent is there, but GD has completely put this offense in reverse with the new routes and independent reads that the recievers appear to be making on many plays (sorry, but there is no way JVB is so inaccurate that he misses several passes a game by 5+ yards - he and the receivers are on totally different pages at least 25% of the time it seems).

And my Monday Morning QB take is that Davis's offense with these multiple reads is exacerbating JVB's locking on problem because he doesn't know what the primary receiver is going to do and if he looks him off he has no idea where the secondary receivers are or what routes they are running. I'll give Davis a pass due to the injuries because the o-line looks bad right now and the RB situation is grim, but O'Keefe actually managed injuries fairly well and I don't think that even with the injuries he loses to Indiana and Purdue.

From a purely technical perspective and assuming away the problems caused by GD's failure to stretch defenses with anything remotely deep, I do think Davis has a good offensive strategy, but the problem with it is that it is not suited for the college game where you have significant year over year turnover and limited practice time. In other words, the pass plays seem to me to be better suited for the NFL with a highly skilled and intelligent QB who has worked with his receivers and coaches for countless hours. The strategy simply asks far too much of college kids.

For all of the crap O'Keefe got, he did understand the virtues of a more limited playbook with more focus on execution and I think that strategy won a ton of games for us not because the O'Keefe offenses were high powered, but they often converted a few key third downs late and could change field position, which played into the macro strategy of running the team. Obviously, the downside to using O'Keefe's philosophy is that we became easier to game plan and for defenses to execute against us. But right now the offensive coaching looks so bad that defenses don't even need to really execute against us because we shoot ourselves in the foot. Norm used to defend his bend but don't break defense on the basis of "well, there aren't a lot of college QBs who can consistently beat you on drives where they have to make several good passes in order to score so we will defend against the big play and make that QB really work to beat us" and he was right (save for Northwestern) and then of course we get an offensive coordinator who has built a strategy that is built precisely on an expectation that the QB is going to have to go something like 7 out of 10 or better EVERY FREAKING DRIVE in order for our offense to score. It makes no sense and is completely counter to what I think Kurt's macro philosophy is.

Sorry for the rant.
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wow. didn't know you have it in ya!
 
Did he really say it was his primary read? I am thinking he mis-spoke. I'm sure he made the pass as a last result, as his other receivers were covered. BUT, even with that said, on fourth down, I would still throw to a covered receiver who was beyond the first down than an open receiver short of the first down. Unless he didn't see the defender thinking he could get the first. Bottom line, who cares, the season is been miserable, lump it all together as a big sad hot mess and hope for next year. go hawks
 
HawkeyeMHA said:
Did he really say it was his primary read? I am thinking he mis-spoke. I'm sure he made the pass as a last result, as his other receivers were covered. BUT, even with that said, on fourth down, I would still throw to a covered receiver who was beyond the first down than an open receiver short of the first down. Unless he didn't see the defender thinking he could get the first. Bottom line, who cares, the season is been miserable, lump it all together as a big sad hot mess and hope for next year. go hawks
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After the game Derby told reporters that he was the primary.
 
Travisam said:
I don't think there would be much of a difference. KF is still the head coach in both scenarios. This is KF's offense and KF's defense. The names underneath him are interchangeable.
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Yep!!!!!!! Geez................has an Iowa offense been this abosolutely pathetic in the modern college football era?

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Cover3 said:
COACH O'KEEFE: "Thanks for your question, Jon. Obviously, I've known Kirk a long time. He's a fantastic guy. Great Coach. I have a lot of respect for Greg as well. That said, I think you'd be looking at a 10-0 record if I was still on staff in 'Fort Kinnick,' as those message board goobers call it. We really hadn't had a breakout year yet. I'd been working on a package called the 'Vandencat.' JVB would have looked like Brad Banks, Drew Tate, Tebow, Chuck Long, and Jesus all in one person at QB in the Black and Gold. We've installed a similar package down here in Miami. Saving it for the playoffs. Thanks."
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Freakin hilarious!!!
 
RedHawk said:
Without question, we would have had a much better season with KOK running the offense. I don't think
Kirk Ferentz realized how lateral Greg Davis' offensive scheme would be when he hired him. It has stifled the running game. Opposing defenses know whether we run or pass the play will be within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage 90% of the time. Defenses can figure out the other 10% based on our formations and substitutions. Defenses have swarmed all over us close to the line. KOK was conservative, but he seemed to open things up some with an experienced QB. He would have utilized Vandy from the shotgun and at least let him throw downfield to take advantage of his arm strength.

Ferentz' philosophy is play smart football - minimize turnovers, use field position to your advantage, play solid defense, prevent big plays and be fundamentally sound. His offenses and defenses play more conservative football when the team is young or less talented. That's smart football. Make no mistake, this is entirely Greg Davis' offense - he's called every play this year. Obviously, it's not an offense that can be learned right away - it ruined a decent 5th year senior QB completely. I'm guessing that's why we have not seen Rudock play. Kirk does not want his confidence messed up. Success builds confidence and confidence is contagious. This years team has experienced the opposite effect. I think we would have beaten CMU, Indiana and Purdue. Who knows how good the defense could be if they weren't on the field 70% of every game. I'm hoping Kirk makes Brian O.C. and lets Davis walk. Brian's a smart young coach. If anyone can make Kirk evolve some.....Brian would be the guy to do it.
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I agree. Make Brian OC, give it 2 years, if things have not turned crud can the whole lot of em including Kirk. If things do turn, keep em all, Return Kirk to Demi-God status and enjoy.
 
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