Vandenberg's Delivery

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thompj

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I'm not sure if this has ever been addressed on this site, but I noticed something today about Vandy's throwing motion with short yardage pass attempts. It's hard to describe it, but the best I can say is that it comes from way over the top. The result is that the ball is on a straight line, but it continually is sinking, making it difficult to catch. Sort of like a baseball pitcher from the mound...the ball continually travels downhill and by the time it gets to the receiver it is often at their knees or lower.

What do you think? Am I out of line?
 


thompj said:
I'm not sure if this has ever been addressed on this site, but I noticed something today about Vandy's throwing motion with short yardage pass attempts. It's hard to describe it, but the best I can say is that it comes from way over the top. The result is that the ball is on a straight line, but it continually is sinking, making it difficult to catch. Sort of like a baseball pitcher from the mound...the ball continually travels downhill and by the time it gets to the receiver it is often at their knees or lower.

What do you think? Am I out of line?
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I think it's time every Iowa native stop defending the "home town/local" hero. Is he adequate? Yes. At best.

I'm tired of two things:

1) people ranking on Stanzi and saying JVB is so much better

2) JVB throwing--nay, rocketing--"jakers" off the knees of our receivers when they are five yards downfield on 3rd-and-8 or 3rd-and-9

Once Jon and the BTN "experts" get a little more objective, they will see there is a huge difference between Stanzi, Tate or Banks vs. JVB or Jake C. The former knew how to win, stayed focused even in adversity and could actually spot a blitz when it was being executed. They didn't always win, but rarely did they react to game situations as poorly as the latter.

This loss is on the entire team and staff with the exception of Marcus Coker.
 


Unless it is a Tebow, Byron Leftwich bring the ball down by your hip, wind up and throw type of delivery I could care less how you get rid of the football. Find a throwing lane and let it rip. JVB is fine at that. Footwork is a completely different matter, imo, that is far more important. Planting, transferring weight from your back leg to your front, honestly I could not tell you if JVB is consistently doing those things or not.
 


hawkeyebob62 said:
I think it's time every Iowa native stop defending the "home town/local" hero. Is he adequate? Yes. At best.

I'm tired of two things:

1) people ranking on Stanzi and saying JVB is so much better

2) JVB throwing--nay, rocketing--"jakers" off the knees of our receivers when they are five yards downfield on 3rd-and-8 or 3rd-and-9

Once Jon and the BTN "experts" get a little more objective, they will see there is a huge difference between Stanzi, Tate or Banks vs. JVB or Jake C. The former knew how to win, stayed focused even in adversity and could actually spot a blitz when it was being executed. They didn't always win, but rarely did they react to game situations as poorly as the latter.

This loss is on the entire team and staff with the exception of Marcus Coker.
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What a clown of a comment.....putting JVB with JC when JVB throws a better ball than god kid Stanzi..some people are just clueless.
 


Hawkeyebob, that could be the dumbest thing I've see this weekend. Adequate at best, ahahahahhahahahahahahh
 




Games change when you don't take advantage of your opportunities. Iowa scores on one of the field goals and puts the ball in the end zone on one of those times and this game is much different.

Granted JVB is not the same qb right now on the road...he just looks rushed a little to me, but he throws the ball so much more accurately than Stanzi. It's not even close. People forget the ruts Stanzi used to get into. I'll give you a case in point...Insight Bowl...with a lead...in the second half he was 4-11 with two interceptions that may have been the worst thrown balls I've seen. He let Missouri back in that game. Hyde just saved his poor performance. JVB didn't throw interceptions yesterday to put his team in a bad position. We just didn't make plays in the red zone...
 


Vandy has great mechanics for the most part, but he seems to gun the ball a lot on short passes. During the Iowa State game he didn't get his feet set until the end of the game it seemed. He's just very inconsistent with his passing which is odd because when he is in a groove he throws very well.

Yesterday he overthrew McNutt deep once and then nailed a beautiful pass. He also thre some turf balls, then would hit guys in stride. He's very up and down. My biggest gripe is how he cannot seem to still handle a blitz and locks onto one receiver then throws to the safety valve if he isn't open.

0-4 on the road is not a good stat to have as a starting QB. Vandy is good but he's not even in the same league as Stanzi right now. Experience has a lot to do with it of course, but this isn't Vandy's 1st road start anymore.
 
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TChawk said:
What a clown of a comment.....putting JVB with JC when JVB throws a better ball than god kid Stanzi..some people are just clueless.
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Seriously, you might be the least-informed poster on the board.

What, exactly, has JVB done to warrant your vigorous defense? He certainly gave a yeoman's effort at OSU in 2009. He had a great 4th quarter against Pitt. His audible to McNutt against Indiana was good...and against an Indiana, that works.

He does throw a better ball than JC. Some times. Some times what he throws an eerily similar ball. He is "capable" of throwing a better ball than Stanzi. The comparison ends there.

Going into yesterday, he had great stats. Coming out of yesterday, he shares one commonality with Stanzi, a horrible loss at Minnesota. He shares a commonality with JC, they both beat NW. But Stanzi was able to win AT Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State and even Minnesota. Stanzi never lost to Iowa State, Michigan, or Penn State.

Does JVB have "potential"? Of course. But coaches can only do so much to nurture it. At a certain point, HE needs to show his mettle.

He may not be "alone"in yesterday's loss, but he can't be excused for yesterday or Iowa State. He made horrible throws and decisions both games. He CAN be excused for PSU. NObody appeared to be inspired that day, save for PSU.
 


JVB completed 67% of his passes yesterday. That included at least 3 drops. What the **** do you expect out of him?
 


Did people forget that Stanzi's senior year he couldnt lead a scoring drive in the 4th to save his life? joe montana he was not.
 


DuffMan said:
JVB completed 67% of his passes yesterday. That included at least 3 drops. What the **** do you expect out of him?
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Pickup the blitz is all I ask out of him at this point. He's not the problem overall but he has a history of not handling the blitz. Not every sack was his fault, but the one where the CB blitzed and drilled him certainly was. He never looked left and even the announcers saw it.
 


Stanzi had a horrible four games to end his senior year. I can't believe you people. NW...interception thrown into the wind into double coverage...back comes NW. Terrible performance the second half against OSU...and well the Minnesota game was just the same. Then the Insight performance. This is after starting for three years.

That game yesterday isn't on JVB. Our field goal kicker comes through as per normal...the play selection in the red zone could have been better (ahh, we are running the ball pretty effectively, let's throw)...and if you didn't see that Onside kick coming...my God, that was the only way they could win the game. Oh, and 2:48 left, what have we done well today...let's throw. You had plenty of time to run the ball 4-5 times to get to 1 minute left with two timeouts.

But let's blame our QB. I get his Pocket Presence needs work (i had a post on this after Indiana that was on the board all week), but he's not the reason we lost.
 


hawkeyebob62 said:
Seriously, you might be the least-informed poster on the board.

What, exactly, has JVB done to warrant your vigorous defense? He certainly gave a yeoman's effort at OSU in 2009. He had a great 4th quarter against Pitt. His audible to McNutt against Indiana was good...and against an Indiana, that works.

He does throw a better ball than JC. Some times. Some times what he throws an eerily similar ball. He is "capable" of throwing a better ball than Stanzi. The comparison ends there.

Going into yesterday, he had great stats. Coming out of yesterday, he shares one commonality with Stanzi, a horrible loss at Minnesota. He shares a commonality with JC, they both beat NW. But Stanzi was able to win AT Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State and even Minnesota. Stanzi never lost to Iowa State, Michigan, or Penn State.

Does JVB have "potential"? Of course. But coaches can only do so much to nurture it. At a certain point, HE needs to show his mettle.

He may not be "alone"in yesterday's loss, but he can't be excused for yesterday or Iowa State. He made horrible throws and decisions both games. He CAN be excused for PSU. NObody appeared to be inspired that day, save for PSU.
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People stop comparing Stanzi to JVB....Stanzi had Shonn Greene and defenses that ranked in the top ten nationally every damn year. How many times in his junior year did the defense bail him out of bonehead plays. He threw the most interceptions of anyone in the freaking country. We won because our defense was one of the best in the country. If not for the Stanzi's pick sixes, we were top two or three in scoring defense.

You think this defenses compares...its a whole different ballgame.
 


The announces were 150 feet above the field on the 50 yard line. JVB was in his drop w his back to the play.

What a ******* joke some of you are.
 


hawkeyebob62 said:
Seriously, you might be the least-informed poster on the board.

What, exactly, has JVB done to warrant your vigorous defense? He certainly gave a yeoman's effort at OSU in 2009. He had a great 4th quarter against Pitt. His audible to McNutt against Indiana was good...and against an Indiana, that works.

He does throw a better ball than JC. Some times. Some times what he throws an eerily similar ball. He is "capable" of throwing a better ball than Stanzi. The comparison ends there.

Going into yesterday, he had great stats. Coming out of yesterday, he shares one commonality with Stanzi, a horrible loss at Minnesota. He shares a commonality with JC, they both beat NW. But Stanzi was able to win AT Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State and even Minnesota. Stanzi never lost to Iowa State, Michigan, or Penn State.

Does JVB have "potential"? Of course. But coaches can only do so much to nurture it. At a certain point, HE needs to show his mettle.

He may not be "alone"in yesterday's loss, but he can't be excused for yesterday or Iowa State. He made horrible throws and decisions both games. He CAN be excused for PSU. NObody appeared to be inspired that day, save for PSU.
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Yet again you show you have no idea what you are talking about...totally cluess poster....
 




DuffMan said:
JVB completed 67% of his passes yesterday. That included at least 3 drops. What the **** do you expect out of him?
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Not to overthrow McNutt by the length of an end zone. To throw at least 8 yards on 3rd-and-8, 9 yards on 3rd-and-9 and NOT at the receivers' knees. To recognize more than 1-out-of-4 blitzes. To get in coaches ears when they veer from what is working.

In that vein, Meyer DID hit 60% of his kicks yesterday. What do you expect? His misses were from 24 and 43 yards. JVB threw knee-rockets at a fourth to a tenth of those yardages.
 


WinOneThisCentury said:
Stanzi had a horrible four games to end his senior year. I can't believe you people. NW...interception thrown into the wind into double coverage...back comes NW. Terrible performance the second half against OSU...and well the Minnesota game was just the same. Then the Insight performance. This is after starting for three years.

That game yesterday isn't on JVB. Our field goal kicker comes through as per normal...the play selection in the red zone could have been better (ahh, we are running the ball pretty effectively, let's throw)...and if you didn't see that Onside kick coming...my God, that was the only way they could win the game. Oh, and 2:48 left, what have we done well today...let's throw. You had plenty of time to run the ball 4-5 times to get to 1 minute left with two timeouts.

But let's blame our QB. I get his Pocket Presence needs work (i had a post on this after Indiana that was on the board all week), but he's not the reason we lost.
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<<(B)ut he's not the reason we lost>>

Not the ONLY reason. But certainly one of them.
 


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