He would be greatly blessed with 1-2 years on a team with a top flight QB coach and a patient head coach. He can be groomed in technique and psyche.
Urban Meyer breaking down iowa scheme
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JoeyLabasForPresident
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If Nate were to never miss on the big throws, the Hawks wouldn’t lose a game. The Hawks are going to drop, at minimum, a game or two. You are setting the bar impossibly high for Nate. I’m not disagreeing with you, he needs to miss less, but even the greats miss sometimes. Cut those misses in half and he’s in very good shape. Unless you’re saying, in particular, that the Hawks are likely to drop two of the following: Nebraska, Minnesota, Purdue, and Northwestern. If that is the case, and if the Hawks lose more than one of those (preferably none of them) then I’m with you, provided you’re right about them losing a couple.
JoeyLabasForPresident
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When the Hawks switch to the air raid and are still ranked outside of the top fifty in passing offense, someone will take this criticism seriously. If he can get that ranking up another 10-20 spots and keep over 100 yards on the ground in addition to it, he will have some great teams. Improve the rushing by fifty yards a game and that passing ranking will net 8-10 wins every darn year if Iowa’s defense stays consistent. That is frankly outstanding for a pro style offense that doesn’t have top five recruiting classes perennially. Let’s see if Brian Ferentz’s offenses continue to trend up. The recruiting certainly has.
He has no accuracy, especially under pressure, and over 10 yards. The ball needs to be put where the receiver doesn't have to break stride and can run with it after the catch. He simply cannot do this with any consistency at all. He will see blitz after blitz in the NFL, and he doesn't handle blitzes all that well. He has an NFL arm though. I just don't see him making it in the league.
That 27 yard dart to ISM was so inaccurate.....
You know what Mike Leach and Lincoln Riley and etc. also have in common? Their defenses suck. It is just the nature of the beast that you can be great on one side of the ball and you are probably not going to be any good on the other. For those spread teams that play with tempo, they run a lot of plays and have a lot of possessions, thus, why they are high in the team offensive ratings. But that also gives their opponents a lot of possessions and they also run a lot of plays. That is really hard on a defense over the course of a game and season, and unless you have a plethora of depth on defense that philosophy will hurt you.
We just have a totally different style. Limit possessions, limit plays, play games in the 20's not 50's, preserve our defense, protect players from injury and fatigue. I personally like this style, but like it or not this is Iowa football. We will never be high in those offensive rankings for those reasons but it doesn't mean we can't be a highly efficient offensive team.
pythagoras
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Stop talking already
proudhawkfan21
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For the anti-Stanley folks, if you actually watched the game you saw exactly what the NFL wants to see. A QB maintaining pocket presence confidently, a few very successful quick, long throws to the sideline under duress (B Smith 3rd down conversion late), recognizing coverages and making the right read or recognizing an opportunity to move the chains with his feet. A lot of good awareness items. He has the physical tools. Check. Accuracy has a lot of layers. A lot of layers. It cant simply be a number. He is coached to be conservative. He doesnt take many sacks (throw aways). You will see a missed deep man at times. My guess is you see that improved as the season progresses. It's the 3rd game of the year and its apparent that a lot of the other areas of his game have improved. Actually the deep ball has improved a little as well.
WinOneThisCentury
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Ok...I think Stanley had a rough year last year in certain games. He missed alot of wide open guys, especially in the big games. You can't fault the offensive coordinator for that. His job is to put guys in position to be successful, coach them, and make sure they have the skills mentally and physically. He can't throw the ball for them. You can say it's his decision to play Nate...ok...but I think most of us believe he's the right guy too. He just needs to be better in the big moments...and this year...so far...it's clearly better. Michigan, Penn State, and Nebraska await him though.
The issues we have on offensive haven't been scheme, it's everyone executing and making plays and making plays at the 5 or 6 times in a game where it's critical.
hawkeyes87
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Right.
That's my fault- should have seen that coming.
Execution.
You can give coaches a pass if there are execution issues in a few games. But, I'd hope you put some of that back on the coaches if it's a consistent issue.
They're the ones responsible for making sure things they want to do in games are executed consistently in practice. And for playing guys who can translate successful practice to successful games.
mopkins
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There is a LOT of this type of stuff going on every single play. Its actually super interesting. I'd bet around 80% of football fans don't actually realize all the mental stuff happening on every single play.
WinOneThisCentury
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Yeah...it's like people saying baseball is boring...as they ignore all the game within the game stuff. How the pitcher is pitching a specific hitter, what the hitter is trying to do, the way the defense is playing, and hit and run, run and hit, steals, etc. Same with football...there is alot going on that the lay fan never really understands...OL line blocking calls, audibles, motions, run fakes for moving LBs disguising misdirection, DL line stunts, and LB / DB coverages...etc.
ForeverHawk
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I'm pretty sure I saw him throw a laser beam to Smith-Marsette for a crucial first down against ISU on like 3rd and 23 on Saturday. Not only extremely accurate, but under pressure and over 10 yards.
guffus
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Agree. That's just one of those plays where you say to yourself, WOW, maybe Nate is special. Throw in some great runs by Stanley at key times. and you can say Nate was a key difference maker in the ISU game this year.
I just wish I had more memories of Nate making truly great plays like that.
His accuracy is improving (55% in '17, 59% in '18, 63% in '19 so far) and he was very on target in 2/3 of his biggest throws against ISU in the 2nd half. One was a catch, one drop, & one poorly thrown ball that was almost picked.
You'll get no argument from me about his 1st half, he was way off.
If he can keep himself in the mid 60s% in this offense, its pretty good.
This post would make more sense if the team was executing poorly. But they're not. Nate misses 2 or 3 big passes per game. Its extremely frustrating at the time, but the rest of his game is good enough to make him a pretty good QB. If he could make another big throw per game, it probably adds 40 yards or so of offensive stats. Of course the coaches could do a little better and of course the players could do a little better. Just like every other team.
pootspot
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I agree. Like BF4Pres said as well if he can make just a few more connections deep this team is dangerous. I’m hoping to see this and overall happy with NS.
I just want Iowa to do big things this year and if NS improves slightly this team can compete Against anyone. I know I’m on the Kool-Aid but this feels like a team that could get us to the playoff.
It's funny how many posts you see using stats to discredit our offense. How do iowa fans not understand what you laid out in your post. Its equally funny to see the posts using stats to talk up our defense. They aren't near as good as the stats suggest and the offense isnt near as bad as the stats suggest.
