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[Northside Hawk]

SMU from the early 80s and Rick Pitino at Louisville would give them a run for their money.

Well known that Hayden Fry was fired at SMU after the 1972 season in part because he was under pressure even then to allow people with questionable morals and motives to have access to players and recruits. He said no and their loss was eventually our gain.

When SMU received the death penalty in February of 1987 Hayden had to feel like the most vindicated man on the face of the Earth. There are fewer better feelings in the world than being rewarded for standing up for your principals.

 

[Northside Hawk]

I forgot about that... Squeaky clean Wisky…..

I've been to the Shoe Box myself perhaps a dozen times. It's not the shoes that make it stand out, it's the memorabilia on every inch of the walls. Unbelievable collection of photos, articles, everything.

The Shoe Box is owned by a local businessman named Steve Schmitt. He also owns a nearby sports bar with similiar amounts of memorabilia on the walls, as well as the Madison Mallards semi-pro baseball team. No memorabilia plastered there but some posters will be happy to know that he is a huge Saint Louis Cardinals fan.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Dabo was just inducted into the Alabama Sports Hall of Fame. I think he is call #1 when Nick retires and that is the only job I could see him taking. Bama had such a bad run between Bear and Nick with IIRC only one title that Stallings won and they will do whatever is necessary to get Dabo. Maybe they go hire Kirby if Dabo turns them down, but I think Kirby is from Georgia. Aside from those two, I have no idea who you hire if you're Bama. You watch teams like Texas and Michigan just go to absolute shit after a regime change and it puts into perspective how important it is to be right when you make a change.

Oh and he should be Bamas first call whenever that day is. But when will it be? Saban could retire after this yr or 5 more or who the heck knows. When you have guys like KF and Snyder at KSU still around there's just no telling what Saban will do but his options are whatever he wants them to be can't say anything he'd do would surprise me. It'd be a tough thing for Dabo I could see him staying just as easily as going as well.
People for years thought Alford was angling to get back to Indiana and even with opportunities he never did...

 

[okeefe4prez]

Oh and he should be Bamas first call whenever that day is. But when will it be? Saban could retire after this yr or 5 more or who the heck knows. When you have guys like KF and Snyder at KSU still around there's just no telling what Saban will do but his options are whatever he wants them to be can't say anything he'd do would surprise me. It'd be a tough thing for Dabo I could see him staying just as easily as going as well.
People for years thought Alford was angling to get back to Indiana and even with opportunities he never did...

Alford ain't Dabo. Indiana was a turd of a program by the time Alford had a shot, if he really ever did, to get back there. When Nick leaves, Bama will be a top level job. Of course, with what Dabo has amassed, it is hard to walk away from Clemson. They could become a powerhouse, particularly if FSU and Miami continue to be pedestrian.

Anyway, let's not pretend Nick has total control over his own destiny. If the guy loses to Auburn again and Bama misses the playoff, his seat is gonna get mighty hot mighty fast. Nick really needs to send Kirk a bouquet and box of chocolates for that OSU game last year because without that beatdown, Bama doesn't win the title.

 

[SteveGarvey1]

Well known that Hayden Fry was fired at SMU after the 1972 season in part because he was under pressure even then to allow people with questionable morals and motives to have access to players and recruits. He said no and their loss was eventually our gain.

When SMU received the death penalty in February of 1987 Hayden had to feel like the most vindicated man on the face of the Earth. There are fewer better feelings in the world than being rewarded for standing up for your principals.

SMU had guys just show up at a recruit's house with a new car and suitcase full of large bills. They didn't even seem to care if they got caught it was that bad.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Alford ain't Dabo. Indiana was a turd of a program by the time Alford had a shot, if he really ever did, to get back there. When Nick leaves, Bama will be a top level job. Of course, with what Dabo has amassed, it is hard to walk away from Clemson. They could become a powerhouse, particularly if FSU and Miami continue to be pedestrian.

Anyway, let's not pretend Nick has total control over his own destiny. If the guy loses to Auburn again and Bama misses the playoff, his seat is gonna get mighty hot mighty fast. Nick really needs to send Kirk a bouquet and box of chocolates for that OSU game last year because without that beatdown, Bama doesn't win the title.

By no means was I suggesting that Alfords situation was apples to apples. Just that sometimes going home again isn't what everyone ends up wanting to do.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Alabama is as dirty as it gets too. Do some research.

Wasting your time. The denial is fierce up in this thread.

 

[Unknownbadger]

I've been to the Shoe Box myself perhaps a dozen times. It's not the shoes that make it stand out, it's the memorabilia on every inch of the walls. Unbelievable collection of photos, articles, everything.

The Shoe Box is owned by a local businessman named Steve Schmitt. He also owns a nearby sports bar with similiar amounts of memorabilia on the walls, as well as the Madison Mallards semi-pro baseball team. No memorabilia plastered there but some posters will be happy to know that he is a huge Saint Louis Cardinals fan.

That was almost 20 years ago. And the NCAA threw the book at us ruining what should have been one of the best seasons we ever had. BTW, just so people here know, Schmitt's collection of memorabilia had nothing to do with the scandal. He'd been a Badger fan for decades collecting the stuff.

 

[lightning1]

That was almost 20 years ago. And the NCAA threw the book at us ruining what should have been one of the best seasons we ever had. BTW, just so people here know, Schmitt's collection of memorabilia had nothing to do with the scandal. He'd been a Badger fan for decades collecting the stuff.

I'm sure he stumbled onto that memorabilia honestly.

 

[Unknownbadger]

I'm sure he stumbled onto that memorabilia honestly.

Think whatever you like but the stuff never was part of the investigation. BTW, my father bought discounted boots along with a number of his co workers from Steve on a credit handshake so most of what he was guilty of he was doing for others. Hell, there were a lot of construction workers in Madison traveling to Black Earth to get their boots. It was common knowledge that if you talked ball with him and asked you could get a good deal. The players took advantage of it. Some, (Dayne), much more than others. The biggest issue was when the AD got wind of it, the compliance officer went to investigate and told him what he was doing was OK. Thus, the compliance officer paid the penalty along with the athletes. He got canned.

 

[okeefe4prez]

Think whatever you like but the stuff never was part of the investigation. BTW, my father bought discounted boots along with a number of his co workers from Steve on a credit handshake so most of what he was guilty of he was doing for others. Hell, there were a lot of construction workers in Madison traveling to Black Earth to get their boots. It was common knowledge that if you talked ball with him and asked you could get a good deal. The players took advantage of it. Some, (Dayne), much more than others. The biggest issue was when the AD got wind of it, the compliance officer went to investigate and told him what he was doing was OK. Thus, the compliance officer paid the penalty along with the athletes. He got canned.

That's why I hate compliance departments. If a guy is just a nice guy and does stuff for everyone and they bar him from being nice to ball players, then there's actually a disincentive to be a ball player. It makes no sense.

 

[lightning1]

Think whatever you like but the stuff never was part of the investigation. BTW, my father bought discounted boots along with a number of his co workers from Steve on a credit handshake so most of what he was guilty of he was doing for others. Hell, there were a lot of construction workers in Madison traveling to Black Earth to get their boots. It was common knowledge that if you talked ball with him and asked you could get a good deal. The players took advantage of it. Some, (Dayne), much more than others. The biggest issue was when the AD got wind of it they went to investigate the compliance officer told him what he was doing was OK. Thus, the compliance officer paid the penalty along with the athletes. He got canned.

They may not have been part of the investigation but I'm sure if players brought in some memoribilia, he had no problem hooking them up accordingly. That's not a stretch of anyone's imagination.

 

[Unknownbadger]

They may not have been part of the investigation but I'm sure if players brought in some memoribilia, he had no problem hooking them up accordingly. That's not a stretch of anyone's imagination.

Then it would have been mentioned during the investigation. There are plenty of collectors around and they all aren't doing something illegal. Steve's activities were on the shady side. He had a whole lot of IOUs and his deals weren't advertised but most of the stuff was sale items. The deals weren't offered to everybody but probably could have been if they had gotten to know him. Funny how people like to think the worst of people without having the foggiest idea what the hell is going on.

My dad's first pair of work boots, a pair of Redwing's, were taken out of Steve's store without a dollar changing hands and on a promise. It was the first time Dad met him.

 

[Northside Hawk]

That was almost 20 years ago. And the NCAA threw the book at us ruining what should have been one of the best seasons we ever had. BTW, just so people here know, Schmitt's collection of memorabilia had nothing to do with the scandal. He'd been a Badger fan for decades collecting the stuff.

Go back to post 7 of this thread. I posted that the players were getting discounts on merchandise. Never said anything about connecting the memorabilia to it. It never even dawned on me that some of that stuff on his walls could have been donated by players for merch, etc. A lot of it is from the nineties and earlier and seems to be strictly a part of Schmitts vast collection from all the people he knows on the sports world. Photos with Stan Musial, pictures of Wrigley Field, Miller Park, etc. People like Steve however, wealthy small town businessmen, are the very definition of the term "booster". Once again, not insinuating that Steve is himself. Hell, my daughter played volleyball with a girl who's father and uncle had pilots licenses and frequently jetted Bo Ryan around the country on his recruiting trips.

 

[Northside Hawk]

Think whatever you like but the stuff never was part of the investigation. BTW, my father bought discounted boots along with a number of his co workers from Steve on a credit handshake so most of what he was guilty of he was doing for others. Hell, there were a lot of construction workers in Madison traveling to Black Earth to get their boots. It was common knowledge that if you talked ball with him and asked you could get a good deal. The players took advantage of it. Some, (Dayne), much more than others. The biggest issue was when the AD got wind of it, the compliance officer went to investigate and told him what he was doing was OK. Thus, the compliance officer paid the penalty along with the athletes. He got canned.

Once again, Alvarez had no problem accepting the penalties. What caused him to go ballistic was when the ruling came down six hours before kickoff of their season opener, which happened to be a night game. He had to throw players into the mix who had taken third team practice reps all week. And scale back the game plan on the fly.

 

[Unknownbadger]

Go back to post 7 of this thread. I posted that the players were getting discounts on merchandise. Never said anything about connecting the memorabilia to it. It never even dawned on me that some of that stuff on his walls could have been donated by players for merch, etc. A lot of it is from the nineties and earlier and seems to be strictly a part of Schmitts vast collection from all the people he knows on the sports world. Photos with Stan Musial, pictures of Wrigley Field, Miller Park, etc. People like Steve however, wealthy small town businessmen, are the very definition of the term "booster". Once again, not insuinating that Steve is himself. Hell, my daughter played volleyball with a girl who's father and uncle had pilots licenses and frequently jetted Bo Ryan around the country on his recruiting trips.

That's why I worded my first response the way I did, Northside. I didn't want others to jump to that conclusion.

 

[Unknownbadger]

Once again, Alvarez had no problem accepting the penalties. What caused him to go ballistic was when the ruling came down six hours before kickoff of their season opener, which happened to be a night game. He had to throw players into the mix who had taken third team practice reps all week. And scale back the game plan on the fly.

Yeah, the NCAA was nice, though. They let Alvarez stagger the individual penalties or we would have forfeited the game. Not sure we shouldn't have because we played the first 4 games with many of our starters missing in each. The timing was ridiculous.

Of note, I heard from a family member of Steve's some year's later that Steve was still waiting for some of those IOUs to be paid. Some by people who could afford to.

 

[Northside Hawk]

Yeah, the NCAA was nice, though. They let Alvarez stagger the individual penalties or we would have forfeited the game. Not sure we shouldn't have because we played the first 4 games with many of our starters missing in each. The timing was ridiculous.

He considered forfeiting three non conference games. BTW, his book "Don't Flinch", the source of these posts, is possibly the best sports autobiography in my collection. His in depth discussion on the transition to Bret Biliema, and the multiple controversies it caused, is worth the price of the book itself.

 

[Unknownbadger]

He considered forfeiting three non conference games. BTW, his book "Don't Flinch", the source of these posts, is possibly the best sports autobiography in my collection. His in depth discussion on the transition to Bret Biliema, and the multiple controversies it caused, is worth the price of the book itself.

"Third Down and a War to Go" by Frei is a good read, northside. It's about a very gifted Wisconsin team that was broken up by WW II and lost multiple players over seas including AA Dave Schreiner at Okinawa, shot by a Japanese soldier carrying a white flag.

 

[lightning1]

Then it would have been mentioned during the investigation. There are plenty of collectors around and they all aren't doing something illegal. Steve's activities were on the shady side. He had a whole lot of IOUs and his deals weren't advertised but most of the stuff was sale items. The deals weren't offered to everybody but probably could have been if they had gotten to know him. Funny how people like to think the worst of people without having the foggiest idea what the hell is going on.

My dad's first pair of work boots, a pair of Redwing's, were taken out of Steve's store without a dollar changing hands and on a promise. It was the first time Dad met him.

That's hardly "the worst" thing that could be thought about Steve. There are boosters/locals that help out athletes in every P5 college town. Why is it a stretch to think he leveraged his relationships for memoribilia, seeing how much of a Badger fan he is? All you need now, Pollyanna, are your crutches.