UK & UConn: The problem in College Basketball
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hawkeyebob62
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What's so attractive about minor-league baseball? The "fact" is that it's two different animals" baseball, with players that are willing to work and scrabble and strive several years to reach the majors, versus b-ball players who feel entitled to be stars straight out of high school. Maybe cuz baseball players at the minor-league level can't afford a posse, whereas a basketball player measures himself by the size of his posse.
WindsorHawk
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My days of watching college basketball games live is pretty much over. I will watch them on the DVR about 45 minutes after they start...other than the NCAA Tournament opening weekend. The TV timeouts and the review timeouts are ruining the game...for me anyway. My delayed game ends about the time the live game ends...give or take a few minutes.
HomerChampless
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Didn't UK win the NCAA in 2012? Didn't UConn win the NCAA in 2011? Are you fans saying it wouldn't be great for Iowa to win-- just one NCAA tournament even if the coach is a 'slime ball'? Even if a few players are one and done to the NBA? If you feel that way, maybe you should revise your opinion about that Iowa recruit that's a point guard and played his prep in the New York City area.
IMO, what are the usual results of a coach that does things the right way? Unless the college has a grand reputation or the coach has a grand reputation, or the league is mediocre, usually the bottom of the league.
IMO, what are the usual results of a coach that does things the right way? Unless the college has a grand reputation or the coach has a grand reputation, or the league is mediocre, usually the bottom of the league.
theboat
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Ditto. I hate when I catch up to live before the last few minutes
STILLBUSTER
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WTF happened to the "Like" button?!?!?!
Envy often generates hypocritical rationalizations.
PalmettoHawkFan
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this is where the market is and it's not changing
ideally, the D league would be a real minor league and you'd have a two-year commitment for college
that won't happen, however. the current model is lucrative for all parties.
ideally, the D league would be a real minor league and you'd have a two-year commitment for college
that won't happen, however. the current model is lucrative for all parties.
ColumbusHawk
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Heck, most of the holier than thou Hawk fans would sell their souls to the Devil to have Kentucky's success.
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DDThompson
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Exactly. Or football.
NFL, NBA, MLB have every right to establish rules to govern their sports. Minimum age limits are in their sphere to decide.
The NCAA is in a hard place, no doubt. They do have power to deter schools from collecting 1&Dones; they do have power to deter schools from cheating; they chose not to use it.
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DDThompson
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Dead on. This is true of most televised sports. TV is looking to fill up space so lengthening the game really isn't a concern for them. Why not let the flow of the game be normal and just televise more games?
sportstalent
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When the NCAA changed the 5/3 rule, it was a good thing for teams that had a bunch of people leaving in consecutive years...hence, Arizona after they won the National Title.
Now, from there the NCAA changed the rule of how they scored against the APR...here is where Kentucky chimes in...instead of the APR score being hit if a scholarship player doesn't graduate in 6 years it counted negatively. Now...if the player leaves in good academic standing...they basically count for only that year.
Now UConn is a whole other story...they had a ton of transfers and players that left school because of academics, don't blame Ollie for this one, he is cleaning it up, he just got left with a bunch of really good players and Ryan Boatwright became eligible (last season) and Boatwright is probably the most undervalued player in college basketball, Napier is the real deal, but Boatwright is so good that Napier doesn't get all the attention all the time and can hurt teams. NCAA tournament is all about guards.
I have no real issues with UConn and the APR because they paid the price when the NCAA could have let them off, but they actually sent a message, probably because they were just okay last season.
The NCAA allows UK to do what they do with the two rule changes to the APR that they did, so as much as I don't like what Calipari does (he is a fraud, especially when he talks of his APR score being one of the highest), but he is within the rules. That said, how they continue to reel these guys in is beyond me unless they are the new SMU.
Now, from there the NCAA changed the rule of how they scored against the APR...here is where Kentucky chimes in...instead of the APR score being hit if a scholarship player doesn't graduate in 6 years it counted negatively. Now...if the player leaves in good academic standing...they basically count for only that year.
Now UConn is a whole other story...they had a ton of transfers and players that left school because of academics, don't blame Ollie for this one, he is cleaning it up, he just got left with a bunch of really good players and Ryan Boatwright became eligible (last season) and Boatwright is probably the most undervalued player in college basketball, Napier is the real deal, but Boatwright is so good that Napier doesn't get all the attention all the time and can hurt teams. NCAA tournament is all about guards.
I have no real issues with UConn and the APR because they paid the price when the NCAA could have let them off, but they actually sent a message, probably because they were just okay last season.
The NCAA allows UK to do what they do with the two rule changes to the APR that they did, so as much as I don't like what Calipari does (he is a fraud, especially when he talks of his APR score being one of the highest), but he is within the rules. That said, how they continue to reel these guys in is beyond me unless they are the new SMU.
kicker22
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While I think academics are very important I'm not paying to go to games to watch them preform academically. I get that their graduation rates are pathetic, but for the year they are at school they're still student athletes like everyone else. The only difference is that UK has 5 possible freshman draft picks in this years draft. Regardless of whether I agree with the NCAA's stance on this or the NBA refusing to let kids declare immediately out of high school, I'm not going to fault the players and coaches. I watch for the product on the court and unfortunately Coach Cal and his team put one hell of a product on the floor.
Yes, the changing of the 5/3 rule was horrible for college bb. It opened the door to UK bringing a new 7 guys each year, as if they are actually going to school to earn a degree...lol. The NBA has to open it back up for HS kids ,and if they pass on pro ball, college needs to be a 2-3 year deal, period. Baseball and football players seem to survive that approach.
2 year players are not there to get their degree. Heck 3 year doesn't get it done unless you are smart and take a ton of classes or come in with college credit.
tm3308
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No, but it does force a lot of those guys into the classrooms, where maybe they'll actually make some headway on a backup plan. Life is pretty easy when all you have to do is pass your classes for the fall semester and then never set foot in a classroom again.
1977Hawkeye
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As a sports fan, I honestly couldn't care less if players are going to school to get a degree, or if they have bigger dreams, and that includes Iowa's players. If they are doing enough to stay academically eligible, and the product on the court is good, then I'm happy. This whole concept of a "student-athlete" is all well and good, but that means nothing to me when I'm watching Iowa play their games, and I am not going to fault a kid for going to the NBA after a year of college and earning millions.. We should all be so lucky as to have that opportunity. Must of us don't.
kicker22
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I guess my take is I'm enjoying the product they're putting out. While they absolutely benefit from free tuition, in the end I really don't care if they graduate or not, as it's not my life. I see it no differently as the player who has everything in the palm of their hands and then get in with the wrong crowd, do something stupid to ruin their careers, or end up taking the path of fame and fortune to a drug addiction and ending up a broke 20-25 year old with nothing to fall back on.
We've all seen it and the bottom line is its their lives in the end and ultimately they will make the right choices or the wrong ones. Society turns their backs on these people all the time and don't think twice about it, yet if it involves an athlete that somehow changes things.
We've all seen it and the bottom line is its their lives in the end and ultimately they will make the right choices or the wrong ones. Society turns their backs on these people all the time and don't think twice about it, yet if it involves an athlete that somehow changes things.
hawkforlife9
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Shouldn't this help us? With Fran's building it the correct way, I would think we would consistently beat the one and done teams.
Kentucky is the only true one and done team in college BB. Other teams have them too but mixed in with 3-4 year players. Kentucky is completely built on those players and have been highly successful the last 4 years (3 Final Fours as a 4, 1, & 8 seed). They're successful for the same reason most teams are successful, they have more talent than their opponents do.
