UK & UConn: The problem in College Basketball

H8IAST8

H8IAST8

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-UK has 5 freshman starting, many of them 1 and done. 4 are projected to go in the 1st round of the NBA, 1 in the 2nd.
IMO the NCAA should move to the Baseball model. If you want to go to pro after highschool go right ahead. If you want to go to college you must commit for 3 years.

-UConn violated the APR rules and are in the Final this year.
UConn nearly won the title for academic futility in big-time college sports. Among the three major sports at BCS schools — football and men's and women's basketball — UConn men's basketball finished next-to-last in Academic Progress Rate over a four-year period.
http://articles.courant.com/2011-05...sident-susan-herbst-josh-nochimson-nate-miles
 
basketball is a little different. i'd be fine with a two year commitment instead of 3. i agree that kids should be allowed to go straight to the pros like baseball if they prefer. if only the D league was structured better, this would really work well.

it is a disgrace how terrible uconn is academically though.
 
H8IAST8 said:
-UK has 5 freshman starting, many of them 1 and done. 4 are projected to go in the 1st round of the NBA, 1 in the 2nd.
IMO the NCAA should move to the Baseball model. If you want to go to pro after highschool go right ahead. If you want to go to college you must commit for 3 years.

-UConn violated the APR rules and are in the Final this year.
UConn nearly won the title for academic futility in big-time college sports. Among the three major sports at BCS schools — football and men's and women's basketball — UConn men's basketball finished next-to-last in Academic Progress Rate over a four-year period.
http://articles.courant.com/2011-05...sident-susan-herbst-josh-nochimson-nate-miles
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I totally agree, the UConn picture with recent booster recruiting problems and the terrible graduation rates is worse than Kentucky's situation. But Kentucky's situation isnt much better where UK will basically be an NBA all rookie team playing for the NCAA men's title. Kentucky and Calipari isnt playing with players who have any thought of being a student athlete.

Bob Knight might have been an a-hole in certain areas but almost 100% of his players at IU graduated. Calhoun, Calipari and some other coaches might as well be wholesale meat brokers.
 
H8IAST8 said:
-UK has 5 freshman starting, many of them 1 and done. 4 are projected to go in the 1st round of the NBA, 1 in the 2nd.
IMO the NCAA should move to the Baseball model. If you want to go to pro after highschool go right ahead. If you want to go to college you must commit for 3 years.

-UConn violated the APR rules and are in the Final this year.
UConn nearly won the title for academic futility in big-time college sports. Among the three major sports at BCS schools — football and men's and women's basketball — UConn men's basketball finished next-to-last in Academic Progress Rate over a four-year period.
http://articles.courant.com/2011-05...sident-susan-herbst-josh-nochimson-nate-miles
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The NCAA has no control over the baseball or basketball draft model.
 
I have to add that I feel proud that my alma mater and KF are up toward the top of the list of D1 football school graduation rates. It is one of the many positive items on KF's list of accomplishments.

I am not sure what the men's and women' bball grad rates have been over the last 20 years but I would guess it is pretty good. I like this.
 
Id rather watch the View than this title game.
Christ on a bike.. Kentucky... How many people from that state have 'Summer' teeth?
Sum are here..... Sum are there..
 
In some ways the NCAA tournament is a case of be careful what you wish for. If the qualifications for the tournament were what they were 45 years ago only Florida of the final four would have made the field. Neither U Conn nor Kentucky won their conference or conference tournament. They would have been NIT teams.

The NCAA tournament has diminished the value of the regular season conference championships. In some ways the conference tournaments have as well. An NCAA tournament to start the season makes as much sense as a way to end it. Just seed all 300+ teams into brackets and after two rounds you are down to 80 teams, not a whole lot more than the current tournament brackets. Reserve the NCAA tournament to be the tournament of conference champions.
 
I wish Basketball would have the same rules as baseball, go into the draft before you go to college and decide if you want to go with your drafted area, but you don't like where you are drafted, then you have to go to college and you have to be there 3 years before you can be drafted again.
 
NCAA has no power over the 1 and done rule. It is the nba. The employer sets the minimum requirements for employment. In the nba it is an age of at least 18 and 1 yr removed from high school. That means they only have to play one yr but it doesn't mean they have to go to college...could go d-league or over seas. Baseball has a rule of joining after HS but you can be 1 and done in college if you go the juco route for baseball. It also isn't a true 3yr rule for baseball as you are automatically eligible when you become 21. For some players that is 2 yrs in college.
 
Foval21 said:
NCAA has no power over the 1 and done rule. It is the nba. The employer sets the minimum requirements for employment. In the nba it is an age of at least 18 and 1 yr removed from high school. That means they only have to play one yr but it doesn't mean they have to go to college...could go d-league or over seas. Baseball has a rule of joining after HS but you can be 1 and done in college if you go the juco route for baseball. It also isn't a true 3yr rule for baseball as you are automatically eligible when you become 21. For some players that is 2 yrs in college.
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You are right, the NBA sets the age, however the NCAA could take steps to prevent one and dones. They could modify the APR again to further penalize one & dones. In fact the APR requirement is getting harder next year. The APR of 930 that will be required in 2014-2015 only predicts a 50% graduation rate. Athletes have many advantages more students do not have. They have private tutors, classes scheduled around them, first choice of classes, etc. The average graduation rate varies greatly by institution, however the overall average is around 53%. The NCAA should make this the minimum score rather than 50%.
 
If a player leaves before graduating for a professional league, they should have to reimburse the school for their scholarship. I'd hope this would make the decision a little more serious for the players and not continue to make a mockery of the current format. If they graduate and move on, they owe nothing to the school.
 
I couldn't think of a more who-cares National Final than UConn and UK. I'll watch, only cause I want to see one shining moment at the end.

Talk about two schools with pathetic gradutation rates. Turrible, just turrible. Add in one slimeball coach you have a real dud of a matchup.
 
big10er said:
If a player leaves before graduating for a professional league, they should have to reimburse the school for their scholarship. I'd hope this would make the decision a little more serious for the players and not continue to make a mockery of the current format. If they graduate and move on, they owe nothing to the school.
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This would only make sense if scholarships were 4 years and not 1.
 
The UConn "problem" is out in the open. We all know what it is, and every media outlet reports on it. The Kentucky "problem" is the REAL problem...but for as many people that want it to be brought out in the open, the same number of people will go to any length(s) to hide/protect.

Basically, we all know Calipari has been at UMass. They went on probation. He was at Memphis. They "sort of" got some probation, and he "sort of" resigned. And Derrick Rose "sort of" qualified to play NCAA Basketball. And Kentucky "sort of" gets these recruiting classes that would make John Wooden, Bob Knight and Dean Sith jealous. Frankly, they would make most NBA GMs envious, as well.

So...I'll say it. We know John Calipari, and by extension, Kentrucky, are cheaters. We know most of the $EC cheats. We know many--too many--in the media will cover up and protect these schools as long as they can keep from getting caught and the media members can be invited in for the gala parties, press conferences, media days, etc.

Until the Calipari-led schools and the cheating types are held to account, it pretty much ensures that viewership will shrink--maybe only gradually--year after year unless/until the viewership can be moderately proud of what they are watching.

Hence, the F$U/Winston saga, Auburn as this past season's $EC-Flavor-of-the-Season, etc., will see less and less enthusiasm for NCAA football in coming years as more of the Winston issues are brought to light.

The Ross Pierschbacher-type recruiting battles don't help, either. When fans, schools, and especially local media, stop being forthright, gracious and magnanimous and instead call these kids out when they go the "sexy" route, we might eventually return to "college" sports.

Thank God Pat Fitzgerald has the balls to stand up and call out the whole issue that has come up at NW. Nobody is against players having the best conditions in terms of safety and academic support. But for the tail to further wag the dog, it just further demeans college sports.
 
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