Two Iowa Hoops Questions

[EckoHawk]

Serious questions for those that still follow Iowa basketball:

1. What has Lickliter done to instill confidence in those that support him that suggests he can turn it around at Iowa?

2. Is the worst case scenario that Barta doesn't have enough information to make a good decision on Lickliter's future next year. For example say Lick goes 7-11 in conference and 17-13 overall, is that good enough to keep him another year or bad enough to get rid of him? If those numbers are the goal in Barta's mind, is that lowering the bar too much?

 

[hawk4life73]

1. He is the current coach of the team I love. By default he gets love too.
1a. He has had success in Division 1 bball - granted his 3 year tenure at Iowa has been pretty bad, but that doesn't mean next year will be bad...NC won it all last year and won't make it to the tourney this year, does that make Roy Williams a chump? Hardly.
Lick has a huge hill to climb, but until his boss decides to make a change I will support him and the guys on the team, just like the previous 4 coaches in my lifetime.

2. I don't care. If we go 20-10 and Lick is fired, I will support the new coach and the guys on the team. Conversely, if we go 10-20 and he is retained, well, you can guess who I'll be rooting for in '11-'12.

 

[TChawk]

Serious questions for those that still follow Iowa basketball:

1. What has Lickliter done to instill confidence in those that support him that suggests he can turn it around at Iowa?

2. Is the worst case scenario that Barta doesn't have enough information to make a good decision on Lickliter's future next year. For example say Lick goes 7-11 in conference and 17-13 overall, is that good enough to keep him another year or bad enough to get rid of him? If those numbers are the goal in Barta's mind, is that lowering the bar too much?

#1 - Absolutly nothing at all. He has not shown that he can coach at all. His recruiting has been crappy....sure the next class is so good that it ranks in the bottom 4 of the big 10. From the way it sounds he is not even a players coach, throw that into the fact he is way over his head in the big ten and gets out coached every game...ehhh there is really only one thing that is going to turn Iowa BB around and that is a new coach.

2. Yes those are way to low, we would not even sniff the NIT with those #'s right here. However that is asking alot to even win that many gamse next year. Sure the NC is as weak as ever for cry baby lick. But seriously they will win another 4-5 games in the Big Ten again. Why put the Hawkeye nation through this BS again?

 

[loesshillshawk]

Serious questions for those that still follow Iowa basketball:

1. What has Lickliter done to instill confidence in those that support him that suggests he can turn it around at Iowa? Some seem to think youth is an excuse to having success. There are so many teams that are young today that youth is not like it was 10-15 or even 20 years ago. These kids play more high level basketball in their high school careers then some did in their college careers. Some think Lick's success at Butler was due to his getting good talent. Lick struggled for 3 years not making the postseason when he had to rely on his recruits at Butler. The current head coach recruited the last two good classes he had at Butler. COY the award automatically makes you a successful coach at a BCS school. We see how that is working out. Iowa can't afford to buy him out. His incoming class is going to save us. Unfortunately they are not quick, no real break you down off the dribble guys, in other words no difference maker. Also those folks argue that he had to have a lay off in the season, he played two road games to senior night and that isn't fair. Ask Kirk if he thought his schedule was fair this year.

2. Is the worst case scenario that Barta doesn't have enough information to make a good decision on Lickliter's future next year. For example say Lick goes 7-11 in conference and 17-13 overall, is that good enough to keep him another year or bad enough to get rid of him? If those numbers are the goal in Barta's mind, is that lowering the bar too much?

Those of us who are not Lick fans say no....those in his camp say yes. There is no way this team wins 7 games in conference next year...the conference will be much tougher next year.

 

[BA96MA99]

1. There is always hope--I'm an eternal optimist. Confidence? Not so much.

2. The worst case scenario is that Barta doesn't really care about the record this year, and that he considers next year to be Year 1 for Lick.

 

[BullHawk]

There was also no way we finish anywhere but the bottom of the BigTen this year, and yet....we didn't. Obviously I am not pleased with a 9th place finish, but most of the experts on these boards and in the media predicted Iowa to place last in the BigTen, so i'll wait until the team actually plays next year to see how we do. Instead of making definitive statements that can't possibly be confirmed.

 

[DuffMan]

Serious questions for those that still follow Iowa basketball:

1. What has Lickliter done to instill confidence in those that support him that suggests he can turn it around at Iowa?

2. Is the worst case scenario that Barta doesn't have enough information to make a good decision on Lickliter's future next year. For example say Lick goes 7-11 in conference and 17-13 overall, is that good enough to keep him another year or bad enough to get rid of him? If those numbers are the goal in Barta's mind, is that lowering the bar too much?

1) His success as Butler tells me when things are right he can get the job done. I don't know anyone who could win with the roster of players he's had to work with. It appears he's put together his second solid recruiting class in a row.

2) 17-13 (7-11) will be enough (and should be enough) to keep him around for another year. That record stands a good chance of getting us into the NIT (it would be a lock if the NCAA expands). I would expect that if we don't finish in the top half of the B10 and qualify for the NCAA 2 years from now that we go in a different direction.

 

[BA96MA99]

I would expect that if we don't finish in the top half of the B10 and qualify for the NCAA 2 years from now that we go in a different direction.

Wow. 2 years from now. And who will watch the games 2 years from now?

 

[HawkI101]

There was also no way we finish anywhere but the bottom of the BigTen this year, and yet....we didn't. Obviously I am not pleased with a 9th place finish, but most of the experts on these boards and in the media predicted Iowa to place last in the BigTen, so i'll wait until the team actually plays next year to see how we do. Instead of making definitive statements that can't possibly be confirmed.

9th place is at the bottom of the big ten. We were picked to finish last because everyone thought Penn State and Indiana would / should be better than they are.

 

[HawkDad]

relying on a couple of other B10 teams to stink even worse than we do is no way to live in the B10.

Nor is scheduling creampuff pre-B10 season to boost the win totals acceptable.

Suk it up and make the changes to get into the top half on a regular basis.

Wasn't Barta's goal for all teams to finish in the top half 70% of the time and challenging for championships on a regular basis??

 

[Sirhouseman]

Wow. 2 years from now. And who will watch the games 2 years from now?

I will.

 

[tubahawk]

1) His success as Butler tells me when things are right he can get the job done. I don't know anyone who could win with the roster of players he's had to work with. It appears he's put together his second solid recruiting class in a row.

"When things are right" is the issue for me. I agree he has had some success, but the catch seems to be that everything has to align correctly for that to happen. For me, that's not the definition of a successful coach. Any coach can get the job done when things are right. A good coach can still have some success when things are less than optimal.

2) 17-13 (7-11) will be enough (and should be enough) to keep him around for another year. That record stands a good chance of getting us into the NIT (it would be a lock if the NCAA expands). I would expect that if we don't finish in the top half of the B10 and qualify for the NCAA 2 years from now that we go in a different direction.

I agree 17-13 should be enough to get Lick another year.

 

[DuffMan]

"When things are right" is the issue for me. I agree he has had some success, but the catch seems to be that everything has to align correctly for that to happen. For me, that's not the definition of a successful coach. Any coach can get the job done when things are right. A good coach can still have some success when things are less than optimal.
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I'm not talking about a cosmic alignment of all the moons and the stars "when things are right". I'm talking about when he doesn't loose his best returning player every year for three straight years "things are right".

All I want (and I suspect others are the same) is to see what the man can do with a full roster. While he probably has some culpability in some of the transfers over the year clearly the issues were all not his alone. From the looks of things we are going to get that chance next year.

Also I don't know of a single coach who could get things done with our current collective roster.

 

[DuffMan]

Wow. 2 years from now. And who will watch the games 2 years from now?

Considering it will be our second consecutive winning season, possibly our second post season tournament, and our first NCAA team in 5 years I'm guessing the whole state of Iowa, a good chunk of Chicago, and Iowa fans around the globe.

 

[BA96MA99]

I'm not talking about a cosmic alignment of all the moons and the stars "when things are right". I'm talking about when he doesn't loose his best returning player every year for three straight years "things are right".

All I want (and I suspect others are the same) is to see what the man can do with a full roster. While he probably has some culpability in some of the transfers over the year clearly the issues were all not his alone. From the looks of things we are going to get that chance next year.

Also I don't know of a single coach who could get things done with our current collective roster.

I agree. Give the guy a year with a full roster and some veteran players. But next year is the deciding year--not two years from now. He needs a lot more W's.

 

[tubahawk]

I'm not talking about a cosmic alignment of all the moons and the stars "when things are right". I'm talking about when he doesn't loose his best returning player every year for three straight years "things are right".

All I want (and I suspect others are the same) is to see what the man can do with a full roster. While he probably has some culpability in some of the transfers over the year clearly the issues were all not his alone. From the looks of things we are going to get that chance next year.

Also I don't know of a single coach who could get things done with our current collective roster.

We'll have to agree to disagree (imagine that ). I think Tubby Smith gets 4 -5 more wins from this team.

I think we also see differently on who is accountable for most of the transfers out. We'd all like to see what Lick can do with a full roster. But if it hasn't happened after three seasons, I become skeptical that it can (or will) ever happen.

 

[DuffMan]

I agree. Give the guy a year with a full roster and some veteran players. But next year is the deciding year--not two years from now. He needs a lot more W's.

I think we are saying the same thing. I don't know if you caught it but I said if we don't see something like 17-13 (7-11) next year there shouldn't be a two years from now.

 

[BullHawk]

relying on a couple of other B10 teams to stink even worse than we do is no way to live in the B10.

Nor is scheduling creampuff pre-B10 season to boost the win totals acceptable.

Suk it up and make the changes to get into the top half on a regular basis.

Wasn't Barta's goal for all teams to finish in the top half 70% of the time and challenging for championships on a regular basis??

This is not my point. My point is people on this board who make predictions stated as fact were wrong. My point is I hope we will be better next year but I will wait until next year to see, and not make predictions and try to pass them off as fact, such as, We will not be any better in the BigTen next year.

 

[DuffMan]

We'll have to agree to disagree (imagine that ). I think Tubby Smith gets 4 -5 more wins from this team.

I think we also see differently on who is accountable for most of the transfers out. We'd all like to see what Lick can do with a full roster. But if it hasn't happened after three seasons, I become skeptical that it can (or will) ever happen.

I think you are correct to be skeptical, and I think this offseason will tell us all we need to know. Earlier in the year people seem to have accepted that Brommer was leaving due to lack of PT. As the season progresses and he's getting meaningful PT there isn't that excuse. If he leaves now it wont be because of PT which would be much more.... condeming.

 

[HawkeyeBBall]

Here is why I do not believe that Brommer is going anywhere...

Down like 30 at the time, but busts his @ss down the floor to block a dunk on a fast break on Sunday night. That doesn't happen if you have any intuition of leaving. Why work hard even when you are down 30 knowing that you are almost done here.