Trump supporters, how do you square this?

I fully admit that I hate tRump and his cronies, but I also think the Democratic party sucks right now. They have no leadership that's taking control of messaging and other than a handful of them, they're so very weak. Not many are standing up to what is happening. I lean liberal but would rather have an independent running the show. Far right and far left are getting us nowhere.
I think Democrats and Republicans equally suck. That's all just a game they play to get us to fight and take our money. If an outsider ever comes along to try to clean it up, he's going to get smeared so bad that half of the country will hate him. Oh wait....
 
You're talking to a brick wall with "WHADDABOUT" and "YEAHBUT" spray painted on it.

Not a shot at you, just commentary that you're never going to get a rational response. You're basically hitting yourself in the dong with a sledgehammer and hoping at some point it's not going to hurt.
Isn't it about time you write another 10 paragraph post trying to prove a point that's irrelevant to the discussion and then end it by saying you don't care?
 
This, 100%.

Fry's post got me thinking: it would be interesting to hear what folks are doing in their own lives to both deal with this new reality, and also how they might be working to support any positive changes (political, community based efforts, otherwise).

I'd also be interested in knowing if folks actively stop watching news or talking about it at times in order to keep a sense of positivity and sanity. For me, I sometimes avoid the news for my own sanity.

I should probably stop posting here, too. I'm trying to limit my social media consumption these days as well, especially by avoiding the really stupid comment sections.

I find HN to be not too bad so I'll likely hang on here from time to time until it either implodes or does whatever HN does from here forward.
If you stopped watching the news and scrolling social media you would be amazed at how normal everything actually is. That goes for me too.
 
I'm a small business owner who is in a different customer's house every day. Politics come up every once in awhile but I brush it off unless the customer is really cool and I can clearly see we are on the same page. Only then will I say anything.

I just grew up not trusting politicians at all. So any outsider who comes in gives me hope. It's funny to me being called far right on here and a Trump lover because the only thing I get out of Trump is some hope, which is more than any politician has ever given me. I just recognize the game and know that any politician that gets that high is clearly playing that game. Very similar to what Fry says. Only difference is I have hope that Trump isn't in on it. (Clearly I understand why I'm called far right, but it's still funny). But also what's funny is I like to argue with people who are SO SURE they're right. If it was a bunch of Trump lovers on here right now they would probably be calling me a far left lunatic, just because I would be spending all my time rebuttaling their Trump love. Does anyone else find themselves sounding more one sided than they actually are here? And just to be clear, I believe what I'm saying. I'm just very far from as hard core as I have to sound to argue with you jokers. For instance if it was just Kicker and I talking, we would probably both sound like we lean left and lean right.
 
Isn't it about time you write another 10 paragraph post trying to prove a point that's irrelevant to the discussion and then end it by saying you don't care?
Maybe. It’s not my fault you struggle to read anything longer than a twitter post.
 
If you stopped watching the news and scrolling social media you would be amazed at how normal everything actually is. That goes for me too.
I work many hours at a demanding job and hang out with my dogs and wife at home, generally watching sports in the evening.

Maybe if you looked at something besides X you might gain some perspective as well. Cheers.
 
I'm a small business owner who is in a different customer's house every day. Politics come up every once in awhile but I brush it off unless the customer is really cool and I can clearly see we are on the same page. Only then will I say anything.

I just grew up not trusting politicians at all. So any outsider who comes in gives me hope. It's funny to me being called far right on here and a Trump lover because the only thing I get out of Trump is some hope, which is more than any politician has ever given me. I just recognize the game and know that any politician that gets that high is clearly playing that game. Very similar to what Fry says. Only difference is I have hope that Trump isn't in on it. (Clearly I understand why I'm called far right, but it's still funny). But also what's funny is I like to argue with people who are SO SURE they're right. If it was a bunch of Trump lovers on here right now they would probably be calling me a far left lunatic, just because I would be spending all my time rebuttaling their Trump love. Does anyone else find themselves sounding more one sided than they actually are here? And just to be clear, I believe what I'm saying. I'm just very far from as hard core as I have to sound to argue with you jokers. For instance if it was just Kicker and I talking, we would probably both sound like we lean left and lean right.
Fair enough. I just have no idea why you trust Trump and Musk. To each his own, I guess.
 
I work many hours at a demanding job and hang out with my dogs and wife at home, generally watching sports in the evening.

Maybe if you looked at something besides X you might gain some perspective as well. Cheers.
Hey I said that goes for me too. I was admitting we are both guilty.
 
Fair enough. I just have no idea why you trust Trump and Musk. To each his own, I guess.
I trust them more than the zero percent I trust the political game. It was a low bar. I also lost a lot of trust in Trump because of his first term. He is slowly regaining it back. Musk I've just always kinda liked because he is so different than every other billionaire. Dude could have an island and five mansions but instead he barely owns anything and just works non stop.
 
You're talking to a brick wall with "WHADDABOUT" and "YEAHBUT" spray painted on it.

Not a shot at you, just commentary that you're never going to get a rational response. You're basically hitting yourself in the dong with a sledgehammer and hoping at some point it's not going to hurt.

Here is a good take on Trump's tariff plan from an economist from the Peterson Institute for International Economics (independent, non-profit, non-partisan). It is exactly the stuff you have been talking about, but if someone wants to hear it from a non- @Fryowa source, here you go:

 
I have one daughter, 2 daughters in law, 4 grand daughters. All smart. Good people.

So, I disagree with almost everything the current Repub party professes.

I disagree with Trump’s policies nearly in their entirety.

Way back in his first term, I became aware that he was, and still is, a rapist.

In support of my family, especially the females, I have never and will never vote for a man who rapes women. If the Party and Trump had policies I could support, it would not matter. My decision was made the moment I became aware of Trump’s crime. That is all it took. Done.
 
So much winning we'll barely be able to handle it, he said. So much beautiful, big money! Who is this "short term pain" going to affect? Regular people, of course. Retirement plans losing thousands every day, while costs will continue to increase for people (through tariffs and maybe stagflation). They talk a good game but we'll see how the next several months go. This brings me no joy... none.

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I have one daughter, 2 daughters in law, 4 grand daughters. All smart. Good people.

So, I disagree with almost everything the current Repub party professes.

I disagree with Trump’s policies nearly in their entirety.

Way back in his first term, I became aware that he was, and still is, a rapist.

In support of my family, especially the females, I have never and will never vote for a man who rapes women. If the Party and Trump had policies I could support, it would not matter. My decision was made the moment I became aware of Trump’s crime. That is all it took. Done.
Hopefully you had that same passion when it came out that Biden raped Tara Reade.
 
Moosehead Bear from Canada

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A Canadian Brewery is selling The Presidential Pack or 1461 cans of Moosehead Beer

It is intended to last the course of tRUMP's entire second term

Damn, I use to drink Moosehead but it is difficult to find in DM
 

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