Trump supporters, how do you square this?

[thedukeofearl]

Unfortunately for the U.S., Canadians Understand How Tariffs Work and Donald Trump Does Not​

I am beginning to think that ignoring his duty to see that the laws are faithfully executed is the president’s only real skill.
By Charles P. Pierce

Unfortunately for the U.S., Canadians Understand How Tariffs Work and Donald Trump Does Not

I am beginning to think that ignoring his duty to see that the laws are faithfully executed is the president’s only real skill.

www.esquire.com

(Optional Video Accompaniment to This Post)

Video is from the Marx Brothers Movie: Duck Soup

 

[PCHawk]

That wasn't answering the question (and I explained why).

Do you think MAGA/Trump support free speech?

Can you not answer that directly? I'm thinking you can't because you're afraid of admitting something.

Ok let's try to work through this reading comprehension together. I said it's very obvious at this point that people's opinion of free speech depends soley on what was said. So all you have to do on your own is decide if MAGA falls into the "people" category. I'll give you a hint. The word people is used to refer to human beings. So if you can just somehow put all of that together, you will have your answer. If you still can't figure it out I will give up trying to help you out and respond with a simple yes or no.

 

[PCHawk]

If done the right way, but he doesn't/didn't want to wait for department heads to get on board so he is pushing his agenda into agencies he has no control over and is calling the shots. That's the issue I have. He wants to rush his way through everything while making a big production of it. Then he makes a mockery of it by becoming a chainsaw wielding lunatic at the Conservative Political Action Conference like it's nothing more then a big game to while not giving two shits about the lives that could be affected by his actions, but it's ok because he's said something to the extent of "when we make a mistake and we will we'll fix it".

Here's my suggestion for him. Slow down, be precise, and maybe those mistakes won't be made. As if moving a thousand miles an hour isn't enough, now there's reports that DOGE is using AI to help it reshape the government which could lead to security breaches, biased firings, and the fact that he has very little knowledge of the agencies to begin with. Why worry though, what could possibly go wrong?

The government has had a long time to fix this huge problem and we are running out of time. Trump has less than four years. It has to be fast or not at all. And not at all is a very bad thing for this country. All that said, I really do understand your position.

 

[PCHawk]

And most of us have been claiming this from the day he announced it. Yet, he had absolutely no problem making promises on the campaign trail that prices would go down, but I'm sure that had nothing with talking out his butt to get votes.

That had everything to do with getting votes. You don't bring prices down on day one. It was dumb to even say that. Trump knows we have two options. We can either he mildly fucked for a short period of time if he fixes this, or we can be majorly fucked forever if he does nothing.

 

[PCHawk]

I'm also waiting to hear him announce at his speech tonight that he's taking credit for the market drop recent decline. I mean, he was taking credit for its climb weeks leading up to the election, because American's were confident he'd be returning to office so so I'm sure held held himself accountable for it taking a hit. I mean holding himself accountable and not blaming others is something he does well right?

These arguments fall into the "that's politics" pile. Biden blamed Trump for everything for 4 years straight. Trump blamed Obama for everything for 4 years straight, and so on and so on. It's annoying to hear for sure. But we should all be used to it by now.

 

[Fryowa]

Ok let's try to work through this reading comprehension together. I said it's very obvious at this point that people's opinion of free speech depends soley on what was said. So all you have to do on your own is decide if MAGA falls into the "people" category. I'll give you a hint. The word people is used to refer to human beings. So if you can just somehow put all of that together, you will have your answer. If you still can't figure it out I will give up trying to help you out and respond with a simple yes or no.

So does MAGA/Trump support free speech? Can you not answer that?

 

[PCHawk]

Ooops. Sorry. Didn't realize I put that in the wrong thread. Thanks. My point is that consumer confidence may be pretty important in economic growth or contraction.

It's a valid point.

 

[PCHawk]

Consumer confidence, and consumer behavior, matters. The etiology of the erosion of the confidence may or not matter. I know you like to funnel everything into an "us" vs "them" culture war, but economies don't care whether we like Trump or Elon. Economies behave in interesting ways in response to Tariffs, and that's what I wanted to talk about. Happy to continue to converse about macroeconomic principles and consumer behavior, but I'm not at all interested in your "red hat" game. Do that with someone else. I'm hoping for a little better dialogue than one could get on X or a Facebook comments section.

Well there are about 5 guys in this thread. Me and four guys that are going to say "YEAH, WHAT HE SAID!"

 

[Gibsonian]

To summarize what you will hear tonight:

1. Blame negative things on others
2. Brag about actions taken and not taken
3. Divide the country. Divide us against our allies
4 Lie profusely

 

[PCHawk]

Check out how US defense companies are doing, as compared to European defense companies, right now.

MEGA (Make Europe Great Again?)

Defense Stocks Soar Amid Looming Transatlantic Split

European aerospace and defense stocks jumped by double-digit percentages as events in Washington, D.C., signal deteriorating Western alliances.

www.morningstar.co.uk

So since that's what happens when you refuse to partake on wars, isn't it obvious that the opposite happens when you do partake in wars? And once you assume that, and you know there is a lot of money in wars, isn't it safe to assume these defense contractors push wars for profit? Oh wait, you already know that. But this one war is different.

 

[PCHawk]

Question: If Elon Musk is involved in getting some tech contracts canceled, and then the government replaces those contracts with contracts with Elon's companies, is that corruption?

Question 2: If Elon sacks employees in agencies that were investigating his companies in the name of consumer protection, is that corruption?

Maybe that POS Cybertruck (Douchepanzer) won't be the most recalled auto anymore.

Talk amongst yourselves.

Answer 1 - it very well could be. It could also be for the greater good. But even if that's the case, it's a bad look.

Answer 2 - it very well could be. It could also be sacking crooked people who were investigating his companies for political reasons due to corruption. But even if that's the case, it's a bad look.

 

[PCHawk]

1. Absolutely.
2. Definitely.

Here's another thought that just popped into my head and it's a stretch, but what would the general consensus if Musk were found to be hiring the individuals he's terminating from government positions for his private companies?

That would actually be a good thing. They would need a job. He doesn't have to terminate them before hiring them. He could just offer them a job and they could accept. It would be a pointless step.

 

[PCHawk]

So does MAGA/Trump support free speech? Can you not answer that?

For any individual who punishes free speech, the answer is no. You saying "does MAGA: doesn't make any sense because MAGA is a lot of individual people. If Trump is trying to punish someone for peacefully protesting, then he clearly doesn't support free speech. That's why I said that in my original post that you are somehow to stupid to comprehend, even after I said it again. So to clarify for the mentally handicapped, if you're asking about Trump, the one word answer is no. If you're asking about MAGA, then you're profiling which is wrong to do in 2025.

All that said, I don't even know if there is an alternate reason he said what he did or for that matter, what he actually even said.

 

[PCHawk]

So does MAGA/Trump support free speech? Can you not answer that?

Ok so after reading the article, he said they will lose funding for allowing illegal protests. I would have to know the context on what made said protest illegal. If they are calling protests that they don't agree with "illegal" simply because they don't agree with them, that would be on par for arresting people for simply walking into the capitol. For idiots who can't comprehend words, that would be very bad and very wrong in my eyes. If there is a different reason for a protest being illegal, then the punishment should be the exact same as you would give for an illegal protest that you agree with.

 

[PCHawk]

To summarize what you will hear tonight:

1. Blame negative things on others
2. Brag about actions taken and not taken
3. Divide the country. Divide us against our allies
4 Lie profusely

Knowing him he will probably call white supremacists very fine people like he did that one time.

 

[PCHawk]

If that son of a bitch tries to even mention peace tonight he needs to be assassinated on the spot.

 

[HawkIowa44]

Was January 6th a legal or illegal protest? We need to make sure we have a baseline.

 

[PCHawk]

I saw a pretty funny meme that said in Trump's first term, everyone was afraid he would start WW3. In his second term, everyone is afraid he will stop it. Sounds about right.

 

[PCHawk]

Was January 6th a legal or illegal protest? We need to make sure we have a baseline.

The protest should have been legal. The rioting that took place wasn't tho. The trespassing was borderline. It wasn't the first time protesters stormed there capitol so I'm curious what happened to them.

 

[Grady]

So does MAGA/Trump support free speech? Can you not answer that?

The Supreme Court has ruled that how an individual spends their money is 'free speech'.
Given that, surely how an individual chooses to dress (as long as they don't act in an illegal way) is 'free speech'.
Since Iowa Republican legislators -- most of whom self-identify as MAGA -- voted last week to strip transgender Iowa citizens (who pay state taxes by the way) of civil rights protections against housing, employment, and health care discrimination...I think the obvious answer to that question is 'NO'.