So you legit don't even know that ivermectin is a human drug?
Trump supporters, how do you square this?
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So in this debate over whether or not a president can stop a virus from spreading or not, you argue that Trump could have done something to stop covid, but he couldn't have done anything to stop the flu, and the reason is because the flu is less deadly than covid. Interesting.
Hay Man
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Holy shit, what are you trying to spin here? Is covid deadlier than the flu? You can take the same precautions for both all the time, but if you don't you're more likely to die from covid. Is jumping from the 10th floor deadlier than jumping from the 2nd floor if you don't take precautions???
So how does that all tie into Trump being able to stop covid but he's powerless to stop the flu? Are you arguing that he could also stop the flu too but it just isn't worth his time because it's less deadly? Maybe start back at the beginning. Was it possible for Trump to stop covid from spreading across the globe? Is it possible for Trump to stop the flu? I don't really care which way you answer these two questions but both answers should definitely be the same.
Hay Man
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It's really pointless with you.
I'm literally going off what you're saying. I said covid was impossible to stop from spreading just like the flu and common cold. Then I asked if you think Trump could stop the flu. Your answer was no and your reason for that answer was the flu is less deadly. Which part of that exchange are you saying is wrong?
Hay Man
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You can't get rid of the flu or covid, correct?
If you take precautions, would you be better off than if you didn't?
If you didn't take precautions, which would be more likely to kill you?
If a doctor or someone in charge told you that "this, this and this" would be the best way to fight this, wouldn't you be more apt to listen to what they have to say?
What did tRump peddle instead? This is so moronic
Hay Man
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I don't care about that, as I have never brought that up.
If I took precautions I would still eventually get it. Unless I just completely shut down my life for the rest of my life. If there is ever a disease where they need you to not get it until they can eradicate it, then the president can help. But that isn't covid, that isn't the common cold, and that isn't the flu.
Unless the plan was to live as a hermit forever, always work from home, always home school, and completely change our way of living forever, covid is eventually spreading to everyone. This whole "Trump caused more people to get it with his rhetoric" is a bunch of bs because no matter what, everyone was always going to get it. Do you even see the point of what I'm saying? If the end game is everyone on earth eventually gets covid, then short of hospitals being overrun and people dying in the streets, we were always going to end up in the same place. Australia is a good example of that. They shut down worse than everyone for way longer than everyone, and their numbers were better. Eventually they had to give up and they got hit hard, well after the rest of the world was through the worst of it. We all ended up in the same place, based on the health of our population.
Also it's like people forget all the daily briefings Trump had with Fauci and Birx. In your text, you ask if I would listen to the doctor, but them you said what Trump peddled instead. You were right the first time. Listening to your doctor is the better choice. Trump constantly put Fauci and Brix behind the mic and the constantly gave advice on what to do.
If I can ask a personal question. What real world experiences do you have that have shaped your opinion on covid? I personally know two people who have died. Once was already in hospice and the other died within a week after getting the vax. I do know people who know people who have died. By my personal experience is two. One that was days from dying anyway and one who very possibly died from the vaccine.
I understand in the beginning, 100% of your opinion of covid has to come from from what you hear because you don't have any life experience of it yet. But after five years, I'd say almost 100% of your option should come from your life experience. That's why I'm asking yours. I get if you don't want to share.
Hay Man
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I've had multiple people die from it including my neighbor. None of them had any major health issues beforehand.
Nobody should have to live like a hermit, but taking some simple precautions does help no matter the hazard.
Fryowa
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No one should've been forced to take the vaccine. And before the flaming starts, I voluntary took both courses of it the first time it came out. I've had covid twice and both were after the vaccine. I have no regrets about taking the vaccine, either.
The covid thing just gets used as a political weapon by the left and right so they have something to argue about like you guys are doing now.
If you were afraid of getting sick, stay home. Almost every person killed by covid was overweight and had preexisting comorbidities. Basically, if you chose for your entire life up to that point to eat Big Macs and soda, smoke, or didn't keep yourself relatively fit by at least walking a little everyday you were at risk. Those choices aren't everyone else in society's fault. There were some healthy folks who died of covid, but there are with literally every respiratory virus.
It wasn't worth (and still isn't) bringing society to a halt. Kids needed to be in school. People need to be able to walk up to others and talk to them with their faces showing if they both choose to. Humans need social activities like sporting events and computer club and to be able to go hang out with friends. Have any of you seen one of the myriad studies showing what happens to people's permanent mental health when they're totally isolated from other human beings?
It's a personal responsibility thing. You use data (not emotion) to decide what the risks are, and then you take the risks you are comfortable with. If you decide it's too risky to go out in public you stay home, with the added benefit that if you do that then you don't have to worry about someone without a mask infecting you.
Every single respiratory pandemic in history has shown us that it works its way through society and no matter what precautions are taken it can't be stopped. And then it eventually becomes just another cold virus. Like the Spanish Flu did, and like covid 19 did. The data also showed that if you are even remotely fit and healthy you have almost zero risk of dying. Those two points right there made me not worry even a little about it other than the harm we were doing with mythical "social distancing." I shouldn't be prevented from going to work or Walmart because someone else lived off of bacon, Mountain Dew, and cigarettes their whole lives and never took a walk.
The covid thing just gets used as a political weapon by the left and right so they have something to argue about like you guys are doing now.
If you were afraid of getting sick, stay home. Almost every person killed by covid was overweight and had preexisting comorbidities. Basically, if you chose for your entire life up to that point to eat Big Macs and soda, smoke, or didn't keep yourself relatively fit by at least walking a little everyday you were at risk. Those choices aren't everyone else in society's fault. There were some healthy folks who died of covid, but there are with literally every respiratory virus.
It wasn't worth (and still isn't) bringing society to a halt. Kids needed to be in school. People need to be able to walk up to others and talk to them with their faces showing if they both choose to. Humans need social activities like sporting events and computer club and to be able to go hang out with friends. Have any of you seen one of the myriad studies showing what happens to people's permanent mental health when they're totally isolated from other human beings?
It's a personal responsibility thing. You use data (not emotion) to decide what the risks are, and then you take the risks you are comfortable with. If you decide it's too risky to go out in public you stay home, with the added benefit that if you do that then you don't have to worry about someone without a mask infecting you.
Every single respiratory pandemic in history has shown us that it works its way through society and no matter what precautions are taken it can't be stopped. And then it eventually becomes just another cold virus. Like the Spanish Flu did, and like covid 19 did. The data also showed that if you are even remotely fit and healthy you have almost zero risk of dying. Those two points right there made me not worry even a little about it other than the harm we were doing with mythical "social distancing." I shouldn't be prevented from going to work or Walmart because someone else lived off of bacon, Mountain Dew, and cigarettes their whole lives and never took a walk.
Hay Man
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I agree with no one should be forced to get the vaccine. I got them, but one of my kids did not. It's his choice.
You personally know multiple healthy people who have died from it? How many died in the first year before the vaccine and how many after? Any idea on that? That's probably something you don't have the info on I guess.
Covid working it's way through the population no matter what is exactly what I'm saying. If you want to say Trump said stupid shit, you're right. If you want to say Trump caused deaths and made covid worse, you're wrong. You're wrong because it was always getting everyone no matter what.
Now if you want to get on the topic of suppressing treatments, that's something that could have caused more deaths.
Now if you want to get on the topic of suppressing treatments, that's something that could have caused more deaths.
Hay Man
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Big difference in no major health issues and healthy people. What exactly are you getting at here? Do you need details and doctor's charts on everyone or are you just writing a book?
I'm generally curious to know who knows someone who was healthy and unvaxed who died from covid. I personally know two people who know someone young that died. I don't know if they were vaxed tho. I feel like one of them died before the vaccine even came out but I can't remember for sure.
