Trump supporters, how do you square this?

PCHawk said:
Do you disagree that if you dislike a guy, media coverage in no way shape or form could get you to hate a guy? Or if you already hate a guy, media coverage could in no way shape or form get you to venomously hate a guy. Or say you like a guy, media coverage could in no way shape or form get you to love a guy? I get that people always love taking everything to the extreme. Bit I'm not saying Trump is a guy you would live but the media makes you hate him. All I'm saying is the media coverage can help skew opinions some. Is that really something you can argue against?
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Wouldn’t the same be true then if all you watch is Fox News or OAN and all they do is praise him and act like he’s the greatest ever?
 
HawkIowa44 said:
Let’s get the facts straight first. Trump’s Attorney General Pam Bondi eliminated the Foreign Influence Task Force - the FBI team responsible for combating foreign meddling in US elections. The FBI didn’t do it, Trump did. Wonder why????
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Thanks for the clarification. I must have misread the post. Been spending all day trying to catch up in this damn thread!
 
HawkIowa44 said:
Let’s get the facts straight first. Trump’s Attorney General Pam Bondi eliminated the Foreign Influence Task Force - the FBI team responsible for combating foreign meddling in US elections. The FBI didn’t do it, Trump did. Wonder why????
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I’m guessing that Trump believes that their real agenda was to get him and not to find evidence and mitigate foreign influence. My opinion is that any foreign influence has very minimal impact on our elections. It’s Hillary and the 51 former intelligence officials you need to look out for.
 
PCHawk said:
He's selling a story of standing up to the government. That's a very popular story to sell. If he accomplishes what he says he's trying to accomplish (I understand that's a big if) then it would be tough not to call him one of the greatest presidents ever. No one else even says they're going to try to do what he's saying he's going to do. And two weeks in, he's following through with it.

Pretty much all super powers end with government corruption. And to me, it makes perfect sense why it happens. Of course a government is going to start small and grow from there. The longer a country stays a country, the bigger the government will get. It just keeps adding more agencies and more people to each agency until it eventually gets so big its impossible to keep in check. In an environment like that, with so much money to be made, corruption is going to happen. Our country is on a crash course to implode. If someone doesn't do what Trump says he's going to do, I'd give us 50-100 years tops. I get that you might not think that's where we are headed. But a lot of people do. And right now, Trump is the only one who can stop it because he's the only one who even pretends to want to.

So basically there's two options here. One is he's full of shit and he's really just trying to get even more wealthy. If that's the case, we are in the same boat we were in before Trump anyways. A crash course to implosion. The other option is he's actually trying to straighten things out before it's too late. If that's the case, he will either succeed or fail. If he succeeds, then everyone will eventually know it. We will lose our national debt. Taxes will be lowered astronomically, and everything will run smoother. If he fails, then he will go down as a villain in US history because the people writing history will be the ones he tried to take down.
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Tbh I think he's completely full of shit and says what others want to hear. We talk about how much he's done in the past two weeks, but what about the bills he opposed or got blocked the last 4 years while playing puppet master for the republican party and getting them to carry out his wishes while awaiting his opportunity to return to office to get credit for them. I also tend to blame the radical left and right for why our country continues to divide itself and think he's done absolutely nothing to help that, but has made it worse.

I would have had no issue voting Republican to get Biden out of office, but don't believe he was the best choice and honestly his desire to be who he considers as the best president ever scares the hell out of me, because as you said history rights itself, and regrettably based on how I view him as a person I think he'd be willing to take us all down with him and risk everything to do so which could put us one ugly collision course toward implosion or getting millions killed because he made one too many uncalculated threats.
 
PCHawk said:
I think you misunderstood what I was staying. I meant the media and all democrats will do everything they can to convince the public that the new guy is worse than Trump. I wasn't saying it will work on everyone. I was just saying that will be the message. And I am saying it will certainly work on some people.
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But that's no different then the republicans building up his replacement as Trump 2.0 or the second coming of Christ. There's obviously idiots on both sides but I don't know how much impact they really have at this point. Because at this point if either party goes with a "hardcore" republican or democrat the other side already has their mind made up without the need for the media pushing an agenda. And I'm not sure what how the media on either side would respond to someone sitting right in the middle between the two.

I think ultimately the media gets too much credit for convincing the public. I think in the case of Trump's campaign (as well as Harris' campaign) it got to where it was because there was already bad blood and not only did the nominees have animosity toward each other but so did there supporters. The media simply went with along with it, because it basically came down to 2 unlikable candidates and deciding between the lesser of two evils. Call me optimistic but I think this go round the two parties are going to do a much better job of selecting their delegates trying to win votes from those supporting the other party.
 
kicker22 said:
Tbh I think he's completely full of shit and says what others want to hear. We talk about how much he's done in the past two weeks, but what about the bills he opposed or got blocked the last 4 years while playing puppet master for the republican party and getting them to carry out his wishes while awaiting his opportunity to return to office to get credit for them. I also tend to blame the radical left and right for why our country continues to divide itself and think he's done absolutely nothing to help that, but has made it worse.

I would have had no issue voting Republican to get Biden out of office, but don't believe he was the best choice and honestly his desire to be who he considers as the best president ever scares the hell out of me, because as you said history rights itself, and regrettably based on how I view him as a person I think he'd be willing to take us all down with him and risk everything to do so which could put us one ugly collision course toward implosion or getting millions killed because he made one too many uncalculated threats.
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I can understand those thoughts and I wouldn’t say that it’s completely out of the question. Remember before he became president in 2016 everyone thought he was going to get us into a war with North Korea? The world was much more peaceful during his presidency than it was during the last administration. In many peoples opinion we have never been closer to nuclear war than we have been the last couple of years. I feel much safer now that Trump is in office than I did before. Furthermore it felt like our leaders were trying to get us into a war. I’m hopeful that Trump will help get the current conflict in Ukrainian stopped and a little disappointed that he didn’t accomplish it before he got into office like he said he would.
 
PCHawk said:
I've got no problem with this take at all. I even agree with it. But my point still stands that if he was a Democrat and the media treated him with kids gloves by ignoring everything bad he says and spinning everything into something good (like they did with Biden) your complete disdain would at minimum be slightly less. Of course it would be because you would only be hearing positive things.

Now imagine if there was 24/7 coverage of Ashley Biden's diary, coverage exposing "the big guy" every time you turned on your TV, and coverage of Tara Reade interviews. Imagine they show constant clips of every time Biden snapped at reporters (there's been plenty of those).

Now also imagine what Trump's demeanor would be like if the media constantly praised him and said how awesome he was? That alone would knock off 3/4 of the bad shit Trump has said over the years. What it would t do is erase the low blows to other political opponents he's said to guys like Cruz and McCain.

Obviously this is an impossible experiment, but it would be so interesting to be able to go back 10 years and have the media talk up Trump the whole time and talk own Hillary and Biden. Then go back and see everyone's personal opinion of those three. I bet every single person in the country on a scale of 1 -10 would give a different number on what they think of Trump. And like I said earlier, it's not like the number would go from a 1 to a 10. But it would most certainly move.

All that said, don't forget I completely agree with your last post.
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I do see your point, but it's all based on who/where your getting your news. We both know the news is biased and for the most part leads one direction. So I totally agree that you had smear campaigns aimed at Trump if those were the networks you were watching or listening to, but if you flip the channels you've got the very same scenario playing out in which Trump can do no wrong and Biden's absolutely getting destroyed.

As I've made clear I lean more toward democrats, but have voted for probably just as many republicans in the past. Living in Southeast Iowa almost every time I turned on an AM radio station I heard nothing but how great Trump is and "what a loser Biden is" and to be honest it didn't phase me one bit, because it's not hard to sort through the bias when there's that much bullshit and hatred being spewed. So I think it easily goes both ways and think the smear campaigns and media involvement impact both sides. But to go along with your experiment going back in time how do you think Trump would have been perceived if he had a filter, showed others respect, and didn't deliberately use the podium to attack people. I think if he were more subtle and maybe "more of a politician" in terms of saying what needs without ruffling any feathers I think you'd be amazed. I think he brought it on himself rather then the media going out with the intent of exposing him.
 
kicker22 said:
I do see your point, but it's all based on who/where your getting your news. We both know the news is biased and for the most part leads one direction. So I totally agree that you had smear campaigns aimed at Trump if those were the networks you were watching or listening to, but if you flip the channels you've got the very same scenario playing out in which Trump can do no wrong and Biden's absolutely getting destroyed.

As I've made clear I lean more toward democrats, but have voted for probably just as many republicans in the past. Living in Southeast Iowa almost every time I turned on an AM radio station I heard nothing but how great Trump is and "what a loser Biden is" and to be honest it didn't phase me one bit, because it's not hard to sort through the bias when there's that much bullshit and hatred being spewed. So I think it easily goes both ways and think the smear campaigns and media involvement impact both sides. But to go along with your experiment going back in time how do you think Trump would have been perceived if he had a filter, showed others respect, and didn't deliberately use the podium to attack people. I think if he were more subtle and maybe "more of a politician" in terms of saying what needs without ruffling any feathers I think you'd be amazed. I think he brought it on himself rather then the media going out with the intent of exposing him.
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Respectfully, you're wasting your time with that guy. He'll discombobulate every discussion you try to get into until you finally tilt like a pinball machine.
 
justwinbaby said:
I can understand those thoughts and I wouldn’t say that it’s completely out of the question. Remember before he became president in 2016 everyone thought he was going to get us into a war with North Korea? The world was much more peaceful during his presidency than it was during the last administration. In many peoples opinion we have never been closer to nuclear war than we have been the last couple of years. I feel much safer now that Trump is in office than I did before. Furthermore it felt like our leaders were trying to get us into a war. I’m hopeful that Trump will help get the current conflict in Ukrainian stopped and a little disappointed that he didn’t accomplish it before he got into office like he said he would.
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I hear you, but ironically I'm more concerned about what the future. Not sure if it's a good thing or not, but I honestly expect the constant pissing matches with Russia and North Korea. I agree that it's worse now then 4 years ago, but at the same time I think Trump has an unhealthy relationship with both of them so it naturally dies down with him in office and seemed to worsen around the election cycles. What scares the hell out of me is were 3 weeks into his presidency and we've almost started a trading war with allies, we've talked of national growth by taking over allied nations, and now he wants to rebuild Gaza. It just rubs me the wrong way because campaigning it was all about ending wars and conflicts and building America up and now it seems like it was nothing more then lies that got votes.
 
kicker22 said:
But that's no different then the republicans building up his replacement as Trump 2.0 or the second coming of Christ. There's obviously idiots on both sides but I don't know how much impact they really have at this point. Because at this point if either party goes with a "hardcore" republican or democrat the other side already has their mind made up without the need for the media pushing an agenda. And I'm not sure what how the media on either side would respond to someone sitting right in the middle between the two.

I think ultimately the media gets too much credit for convincing the public. I think in the case of Trump's campaign (as well as Harris' campaign) it got to where it was because there was already bad blood and not only did the nominees have animosity toward each other but so did there supporters. The media simply went with along with it, because it basically came down to 2 unlikable candidates and deciding between the lesser of two evils. Call me optimistic but I think this go round the two parties are going to do a much better job of selecting their delegates trying to win votes from those supporting the other party.
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Whats your opinion on Tulsi Gabbert? She was a very moderate Democrat so would be exactly what this country needs. Someone who is more towards the middle than pushing the extreme luke we keep getting. I'm agra8d every time a politician comes along that will give the people what they want, a smear campaign will start immediately. Because the biggest issue we have right now is what's best for the people doesn't line up with what's best for the government.
 
kicker22 said:
I do see your point, but it's all based on who/where your getting your news. We both know the news is biased and for the most part leads one direction. So I totally agree that you had smear campaigns aimed at Trump if those were the networks you were watching or listening to, but if you flip the channels you've got the very same scenario playing out in which Trump can do no wrong and Biden's absolutely getting destroyed.

As I've made clear I lean more toward democrats, but have voted for probably just as many republicans in the past. Living in Southeast Iowa almost every time I turned on an AM radio station I heard nothing but how great Trump is and "what a loser Biden is" and to be honest it didn't phase me one bit, because it's not hard to sort through the bias when there's that much bullshit and hatred being spewed. So I think it easily goes both ways and think the smear campaigns and media involvement impact both sides. But to go along with your experiment going back in time how do you think Trump would have been perceived if he had a filter, showed others respect, and didn't deliberately use the podium to attack people. I think if he were more subtle and maybe "more of a politician" in terms of saying what needs without ruffling any feathers I think you'd be amazed. I think he brought it on himself rather then the media going out with the intent of exposing him.
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I've once heard one of Trump's kids being interviewed (can't remember which one and take it with a grain of salt because it was his kid). But the point was, Trump knew he was going to get attacked some running for president but they were all blown away by the complete 180 flip of how everyone treated him and talked about him. Have you seen past videos of people like Oprah talking to Trump? It's like the twilight zone. Imagine living your whole adult life with most everyone around you liking you (or at least acting like it) and then it changes on a dime to everyone shitting on you. There is absolutely no doubt Trump handles the media shitty. But I can also see what it would do to someone who had that 180 switch done on them. You gotta be in a news interview thinking "what in the hell is going on right now?
 
PCHawk said:
Whats your opinion on Tulsi Gabbert? She was a very moderate Democrat so would be exactly what this country needs. Someone who is more towards the middle than pushing the extreme luke we keep getting. I'm agra8d every time a politician comes along that will give the people what they want, a smear campaign will start immediately. Because the biggest issue we have right now is what's best for the people doesn't line up with what's best for the government.
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Terrible, but it doesn't matter. She'll do as she told, that's why Trump put her there.
 
PCHawk said:
I've once heard one of Trump's kids being interviewed (can't remember which one and take it with a grain of salt because it was his kid). But the point was, Trump knew he was going to get attacked some running for president but they were all blown away by the complete 180 flip of how everyone treated him and talked about him. Have you seen past videos of people like Oprah talking to Trump? It's like the twilight zone. Imagine living your whole adult life with most everyone around you liking you (or at least acting like it) and then it changes on a dime to everyone shitting on you. There is absolutely no doubt Trump handles the media shitty. But I can also see what it would do to someone who had that 180 switch done on them. You gotta be in a news interview thinking "what in the hell is going on right now?
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There's a HUGE difference from being interviewed as a celebrity and what is expected out of a President.
 
Fryowa said:
Respectfully, you're wasting your time with that guy. He'll discombobulate every discussion you try to get into until you finally tilt like a pinball machine.
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Me - the sky is blue.

Fry - you clearly don't know anything about how the universe was created. Try reading a book on the history of the universe before talking about it.

Me - what in the F are you talking about right now?

Fry - I'm done with you. You clearly know nothing about the history of the universe.
 
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