Trump supporters, how do you square this?

Cmon man.

Tariffs hurt the country setting them as if you buy the product you now pay more - consumers pay the entire bill and the country issuing them takes that money from the consumers. i.e. Trump gets the money in our case. Competition is stifled, you either do without or you buy a different and usually more expensive product. Consumers suffer and the producers/workers in the supplying country can suffer as their sales are reduced. Can hurt both ways.
 
Twitter is rather presidential oriented

The real president not the PUPPET
Yes, 250 million invested to get into our government by a South African. Can you imagine how founding fathers would react to the richest man in the world who supports our enemies in many ways and runs a propaganda media company as well as being the highest paid government contractor paying to be inside our government and elect someone he can manipulate?
This is not how a democracy is supposed to work. I still don't understand how sane people that understand democracy and how it works cannot think that Trump is not a threat (worst threat in my lifetime) to this system. Boggles the mind.
Not sure what your angle is here, but then again I'm rarely sure what your angle is.

I believe it is clear that the angle is to defend Trumpism and Trump no matter what. No matter anything.
 
I still don't understand how sane people that understand democracy and how it works cannot think that Trump is not a threat (worst threat in my lifetime) to this system. Boggles the mind.
The congresspeople actually voting for this stuff in many cases don't agree with it.

But because we've allowed the congress and senate to be career positions with lots of money and power, they're afraid of the party backlash and having their careers/image being destroyed by Trump and Biden's minions. If they don't toe the party line they get destroyed.

That's how it happens.
 
When we put tariffs on China it makes almost everything more expensive for us. They have the power to pass 100% of the tariff onto us.

When other countries not named China put tariffs on us it makes very inconsequential things more expensive in the US. Things that don't have a large scale impact over everyone. It's a mosquito bite annoyance vs a crocodile clamping down on your leg.
So if we tarriff China, they say F you we aren't losing money so pass it on to consumers, and we say ok. If we tariff other countries, we can say you eat the cost or lose our business, and they say ok? I'm not arguing here. Just making sure we are on the same page on what you're saying.
 
The congresspeople actually voting for this stuff in many cases don't agree with it.

But because we've allowed the congress and senate to be career positions with lots of money and power, they're afraid of the party backlash and having their careers/image being destroyed by Trump and Biden's minions. If they don't toe the party line they get destroyed.

That's how it happens.
This right here is one of the biggest issues in politics....Thank Citizens United for that
 
Yes, 250 million invested to get into our government by a South African. Can you imagine how founding fathers would react to the richest man in the world who supports our enemies in many ways and runs a propaganda media company as well as being the highest paid government contractor paying to be inside our government and elect someone he can manipulate?
This is not how a democracy is supposed to work. I still don't understand how sane people that understand democracy and how it works cannot think that Trump is not a threat (worst threat in my lifetime) to this system. Boggles the mind.


I believe it is clear that the angle is to defend Trumpism and Trump no matter what. No matter anything.
It's just all so new to us seeing a billionaire influence politicians that we are still trying to figure out what to make of it.
 
So right now, doge is dismantling USAID and pointing out the corruption they are finding real time. Are people that are against this just so convinced that the government spending has nothing to hide that it shouldn't even be looked into and have free spending reign? Or is there just such hatred for Musk that they are willing to overlook it or just assume he's lying?
 
So right now, doge is dismantling USAID and pointing out the corruption they are finding real time. Are people that are against this just so convinced that the government spending has nothing to hide that it shouldn't even be looked into and have free spending reign? Or is there just such hatred for Musk that they are willing to overlook it or just assume he's lying?
What would you think if the shoe was on the other foot and Harris put Soros and Gates in those positions and those two brought in a bunch of 19 to 25 year old's to hook into the servers and take everyone's information? That seems incredibly bad no matter who's in charge.
 
What would you think if the shoe was on the other foot and Harris put Soros and Gates in those positions and those two brought in a bunch of 19 to 25 year old's to hook into the servers and take everyone's information? That seems incredibly bad no matter who's in charge.
Thats a fair point. I assume that means you think he's lying about the numbers he's finding then?
 
Do you personally believe Musk is doing this to help the average American? I would think the average American doesn't want a billionaire having all of their information and the ability to access whatever he wants. If he wants to help, then go out and fixed homelessness or the water in Flint. He doesn't care about you or I.
 
I tend to think most of you guys would be fun to hang out with at an Iowa game. I have plenty of co workers, friends and family members that think the way you do, but Trumpism is a cult. Hopefully someday everyone wises up to it, until then, good luck.
 
The congresspeople actually voting for this stuff in many cases don't agree with it.

But because we've allowed the congress and senate to be career positions with lots of money and power, they're afraid of the party backlash and having their careers/image being destroyed by Trump and Biden's minions. If they don't toe the party line they get destroyed.

That's how it happens.
Yes they put career over country. Selfish and craven.
 
The congresspeople actually voting for this stuff in many cases don't agree with it.

But because we've allowed the congress and senate to be career positions with lots of money and power, they're afraid of the party backlash and having their careers/image being destroyed by Trump and Biden's minions. If they don't toe the party line they get destroyed.

That's how it happens.

The GOP in Congress are being steamrolled into submission

Spineless Minions, Cowards each and almost every one of them
 
So if we tarriff China, they say F you we aren't losing money so pass it on to consumers, and we say ok.
Correct. I just this morning updated our pricing on thousands of items, at exactly the additional 10% tariff adder that we received from our importers. That's how this thing works with China, Trump (or whoever) says we (the US) are raising our tariff 10% on the declared cost, China in turn raises our prices from them the exact same amount. I'm not being sarcastic here because I think a lot of folks don't understand how it works because they don't make a boring living out of it like I do.

Most of the people in this country think that the US adding 10% tariffs on China decreases their profits because they have to eat it. Thus putting pressure on them to do what Trump wants. Not how it works at all.

The Chinese companies take any and all tariffs from the US and add them to their price. That's how we have to eat it. Trump's intent behind this is that China theoretically has to keep increasing its prices to us until those prices become too high and people stop buying products (hurting their economy), or US companies turn production back to the US. That sounds like a great idea on the surface and it's why uneducated people and union members lean into it so hard as being a good thing.

The reality is that it does neither of those things. People in the US aren't going to stop buying Chinese goods because they can't, for reasons I've mentioned before. And for many of the same reasons production is not going to be moved back to the US. The infrastructure and the wages/costs associated are too great for that to happen. For instance where I work we buy a component related to trailer equipment from China and have for over 20 years (we have thousands of these sorts of things). Once the tariffs started into effect years ago we did our due diligence and looked for alternate sources in Vietnam and India. The problem is it takes years sometimes to get the process done. First you have to find sources, then give them blueprints, then you have to pay for all these people to tool up for samples. Then it can be 6 months to get a sample for review. Then there's months of expensive back and forth between them and our quality dept making sure everything's hunky dory, and then there's pricing to work out. Most of the time that price is even higher than the Chinese tariffed cost because China has their economies of scale dialed in perfectly. Even if the price is good, you still have to work out logistics...sea freight is way cheaper coming out of China because of volume. So you can see how it's not a matter of, "Welp, I guess we'll just pull everything out of China and go somewhere else." It can and does take years to setup and change suppliers and it's cost prohibitive, because for safety/reliability reasons you can't sell product that someone's pulling down the interstate at 80 mph and have it fall apart. It doesn't compute cost-wise.

So the path of least resistance is to keep buying from China, and when they up your price because Trump upped their price, you just keep passing that increase all the way down to guys like you and me in our living rooms. Now multiply that by everything in your daily life that comes from China. Which is just about everything you use and consume.
 
Do you personally believe Musk is doing this to help the average American? I would think the average American doesn't want a billionaire having all of their information and the ability to access whatever he wants. If he wants to help, then go out and fixed homelessness or the water in Flint. He doesn't care about you or I.

It you ain't gots at least a Billion

He ain't interested in you
 
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If we tariff other countries, we can say you eat the cost or lose our business, and they say ok? I'm not arguing here. Just making sure we are on the same page on what you're saying.
Not really, they'll still up our price but where I've been going this whole time is those countries don't have the leverage to make things miserable for us. Mexico, the EU, Canada...they don't sell us products that tariffs will sting. They don't have the power to make any of it hurt in an economic sense. Which is exactly why Mexico and Canada are capitulating right now. They know they have no power really. China does and they know it.
 
I tend to think most of you guys would be fun to hang out with at an Iowa game. I have plenty of co workers, friends and family members that think the way you do, but Trumpism is a cult. Hopefully someday everyone wises up to it, until then, good luck.

Wonder how the Middle/Lower Middle Class feel about their choice now

Stunned or

Maybe just biting the Bullet for the Orange Stain
 
Correct. I just this morning updated our pricing on thousands of items, at exactly the additional 10% tariff adder that we received from our importers. That's how this thing works with China, Trump (or whoever) says we (the US) are raising our tariff 10% on the declared cost, China in turn raises our prices from them the exact same amount. I'm not being sarcastic here because I think a lot of folks don't understand how it works because they don't make a boring living out of it like I do.

Most of the people in this country think that the US adding 10% tariffs on China decreases their profits because they have to eat it. Thus putting pressure on them to do what Trump wants. Not how it works at all.

The Chinese companies take any and all tariffs from the US and add them to their price. That's how we have to eat it. Trump's intent behind this is that China theoretically has to keep increasing its prices to us until those prices become too high and people stop buying products (hurting their economy), or US companies turn production back to the US. That sounds like a great idea on the surface and it's why uneducated people and union members lean into it so hard as being a good thing.

The reality is that it does neither of those things. People in the US aren't going to stop buying Chinese goods because they can't, for reasons I've mentioned before. And for many of the same reasons production is not going to be moved back to the US. The infrastructure and the wages/costs associated are too great for that to happen. For instance where I work we buy a component related to trailer equipment from China and have for over 20 years (we have thousands of these sorts of things). Once the tariffs started into effect years ago we did our due diligence and looked for alternate sources in Vietnam and India. The problem is it takes years sometimes to get the process done. First you have to find sources, then give them blueprints, then you have to pay for all these people to tool up for samples. Then it can be 6 months to get a sample for review. Then there's months of expensive back and forth between them and our quality dept making sure everything's hunky dory, and then there's pricing to work out. Most of the time that price is even higher than the Chinese tariffed cost because China has their economies of scale dialed in perfectly. Even if the price is good, you still have to work out logistics...sea freight is way cheaper coming out of China because of volume. So you can see how it's not a matter of, "Welp, I guess we'll just pull everything out of China and go somewhere else." It can and does take years to setup and change suppliers and it's cost prohibitive because for safety and reliability reasons you can sell product that someone's pulling down the interstate at 80 mph and have it fall apart. It doesn't compute cost-wise.

So the path of least resistance is to keep buying from China, and when they up your price because Trump upped their price, you just keep passing that increase all the way down to guys like you and me in our living rooms. Now multiply that by everything in your daily life that comes from China. Which is just about everything you use and consume.

Rather Basic Math

Excellent Posts, Fry
 
Do you personally believe Musk is doing this to help the average American? I would think the average American doesn't want a billionaire having all of their information and the ability to access whatever he wants. If he wants to help, then go out and fixed homelessness or the water in Flint. He doesn't care about you or I.
I personally do think that. But I'm nowhere near arrogant enough to act like I know for sure. If he's really out to get us, then he set up the last four years perfectly. And I might add, unnecessarily.

Remember he was a Democrat until a few years ago. He could have easily bought Twitter, left all the free speech talk out, and went about controlling everyone. Why the team switch? He had democrats in the palm of his hand and Republicans were indifferent to him. If he wanted to sneak into government, it would have been was easier to latch onto Biden and do it that way. 100% of democrats would love what he's doing now and Republicans would probably be split down the middle. The only answer that makes sense is democrats weren't corrupt enough to let him in to "clean up over spending" so he did a four year plan to switch teams. I'm not saying that's not possible. But in my opinion it's unlikely. I don't buy into the thought that one party is good and the other is evil.
 
Remember he was a Democrat until a few years ago. He could have easily bought Twitter, left all the free speech talk out, and went about controlling everyone. Why the team switch? He had democrats in the palm of his hand and Republicans were indifferent to him. If he wanted to sneak into government, it would have been was easier to latch onto Biden and do it that way. 100% of democrats would love what he's doing now and Republicans would probably be split down the middle. The only answer that makes sense is democrats weren't corrupt enough to let him in to "clean up over spending" so he did a four year plan to switch teams. I'm not saying that's not possible. But in my opinion it's unlikely. I don't buy into the thought that one party is good and the other is evil.
Trump has always been about what's best for him and I guarantee you that most Democrats wouldn't have voted for him or allowed him to do the exact same things he's saying and doing right now. I would have voted for anyone else over him. He found the group he could win over and be that gullible. He wants money and power.

It's a CULT!!!

Read this article about what makes a cult leader and he hits nearly all 50 points:

 
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