I'm too young to know what education was like before Carter started the DoE. Was all schools private before that? Or did the states have control?
Trump supporters, how do you square this?
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Fryowa
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As someone who deals with it for a living this is the biggest load of bullshit ever LOL.
Trump's trying to get more money coming into the US government...that's true...but what BaBa O'Reilly isn't telling you is all that money is coming from the hands of the US populace. Jesus Christ on a crutch, if you think O'Reilly or any other partisan news source is a fair source of information you're smoking something that conservatives would probably consider illegal.
Fryowa
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Read this. It will answer a lot of the questions you have.
It didn't come from a twitter link, though, so maybe you don't want to.
Some crib notes...
Secondary education isn't controlled by the Federal government. It's controlled by individual states. The federal government does have the power of funding, though...
Before the public school system of today it was mostly a free-for-all mix of church-funded, township-funded, and charitably-funded schools. Rural and urban. Everything was different and there weren't any standards or compulsory attendance.
States manage education, not the federal government. That's why secondary education is so different in each area of the country.
Thanks. Before I click on it tho, are you sure that article is nowhere to be found on Twitter? Just because you didn't find it there doesn't mean it's not on there. I just want to know your opinion of the validity of the article before I read it.
Fryowa
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Welp, if you read my post all I sad was id didn't come from a twitter link. You might know by now I'm not searching twitter for media to give you.
Also, you should probably already know that my opinion on the validity of an article has no correlation to twitter.
Try and at least keep up.
Hey @PCHawk , I have some conspiracy fuel for you...
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You certainly have reason to be a skeptic, sometimes bad shit does happen. To deliver the pro-Science side of this, this fraud was eventually found out (2 decades too late) because science is self-correcting, even if imperfect. So, a few decades down the road, if none of the conspiracies you think are happening come to light, it will be time for you to update your models (in actuality, it took 2 decades in this case because Alzheimer's mechanism research is important work, but still somewhat niche...for something much more immediate like potential harms from vaccines, any dirt would be uncovered much sooner).
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You certainly have reason to be a skeptic, sometimes bad shit does happen. To deliver the pro-Science side of this, this fraud was eventually found out (2 decades too late) because science is self-correcting, even if imperfect. So, a few decades down the road, if none of the conspiracies you think are happening come to light, it will be time for you to update your models (in actuality, it took 2 decades in this case because Alzheimer's mechanism research is important work, but still somewhat niche...for something much more immediate like potential harms from vaccines, any dirt would be uncovered much sooner).
I'm trying to keep up. But it's hard because you keep saying something one post and them saying something completely different the next. If you were consistent and only made fun of me because I'm getting swayed by an algorithm, that would make sense. But multiple times you've switched gears and acted like if it came from twitter it doesn't have merit. It's those posts that have me shitting on you now.
We'll just give the farmers more welfare money if Trump kills foreign deals. We've done it before and the farmers don't care, they keep voting for a seditionist serial lying felon who tanks their export monies.
Fryowa
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Your comprehension is lacking, bad. Which is ok. I'm not upset at all by shitting on me, no matter how ridiculous the reason. Maybe you should just avoid my posts if they confuse you so much. I'm not asking anyone here to read them, least of all you.
Damn I can't get the article link to work. FWIW I half agree with what you're saying here. The timeliness for finding corruption won't always be the same. But you can also make an argument that the vaccine corruption (if there is any) will take longer to bring to light because of the size of it. A lot of people stand to lose a lot if the cat gets out of the bag on vaccines (Again, assuming there is corruption). You argue that the science self corrected here. Well the science is completely done trying to self correct on vaccines. Anyone who comes out with science that contradicts the known science today gets made an example of. You simply can not come out against vaccines and continue to have a career.Hey @PCHawk , I have some conspiracy fuel for you...
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You certainly have reason to be a skeptic, sometimes bad shit does happen. To deliver the pro-Science side of this, this fraud was eventually found out (2 decades too late) because science is self-correcting, even if imperfect. So, a few decades down the road, if none of the conspiracies you think are happening come to light, it will be time for you to update your models (in actuality, it took 2 decades in this case because Alzheimer's mechanism research is important work, but still somewhat niche...for something much more immediate like potential harms from vaccines, any dirt would be uncovered much sooner).
Just look at how Kennedy is treated for proof. Look at the reputation he's gotten. He was a very respected environmental lawyer and moms kept coming to him with anecdotal evidence that vaccines have injured there kids and he needs to do something about that. He said he wanted no part of it but the more people came to him the more he decided he would look into it. And since looking into it he has uncovered layers of corruption. He got pushed down this rabbit hole and because of it, his reputation is completely destroyed. My point is. If the corruption is there, and Kennedy gets either killed or discredited enough before its uncovered, then it might never get uncovered. What I want to see is a legit decision to allow opposing science to vaccines to take place. If they allow that again, then I'm good with the chips falling where they do.
So are you saying you haven't discredited something because I've gotten it from twitter? I can go back and show you if you need me to.
Fryowa
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All the time. I've said numerous times twitter is a terrible source for a media feed. Not sure what your angle is here, but then again I'm rarely sure what your angle is.
There's a difference between saying Twitter is a bad place to search for your news and saying a news source that was found on Twitter is invalid. You've said both.
So again here, does this just relate to China? Because O'Reilly wasn't talking about just China. He was talking about Mexico, Canada, and Panama too. Does all the money on tarrifs on those countries come from the US populace too? And the guy who posted that video even said just because someone is on one side, doesn't mean he can't have a good option on something. Do you not agree with that?
Fryowa
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My thoughts. If it's too long, don't bitch. Be a big boy and just don't read it. Makes no difference to me.
1) The Canada and Mexico tariff thing was posturing. Nothing more. None of the things proposed in the whole situation would've made a measurable difference other than some minor inconveniences (in the US). And as far as Trump is concerned, it worked. He got a reaction and response out of both. We've dealt with energy price problems
2) China is the only one that has real political and economic implications. We import almost everything from there, and they have an advantage over us that isn't fixable unless you can find some other place willing to sell the same things at the same volume, at the same cost which is about 10% of what domestic costs would be. The shoes you're wearing right now would be $600 if they were made here. And on top of that, there aren't any shoe factories in the US to begin with. Your computer would be thousands of dollars. Your garage door opener would be thousands of dollars. Your sump pump would be $500+ dollars. Your walk behind lawn mower "assembled in the USA from globally sourced materials" would be $2,000.
Ignoring all that for a second and assuming the cost/price thing wasn't a factor, the US doesn't have close to the infrastructure to produce even a tiny bit of what we buy from China.
Think about the shoes you're wearing. Almost all sneakers, boots, and shoes in the US are made in China. Lets assume for a minute that something weird happened and the cost of doing business here dropped t the same level of China. Where are you going to produce those shoes? There are no factories here to do that, even less so to make shoes for 330,000,000 people at the scale China does. I think you and many others fail to realize the scope of what that country puts out. Let's say Nike, New Balance, Adidas, Reebok, Skechers, you name it all decide they want to make their products here. Are you all the sudden going to have a 50 shoe factories pop up in a few years' time? In china there are literally thousands of shoe factories.
Same thing with your trailer hitch, your door bell, your light fixtures, your phone, your microwave, your drone, your windshield wipers, your cars' alternators, your ice auger, your picture frames, the fold up tables in your garage, your car batteries, your kids' backpacks...and on and on and on...all made in China for tenths of a penny on the dollar. Where you going to get the people to work in them if you did all of a sudden miracle 20,000 factories out of thin air? Because China has 2.8 million industrial manufacturing factories. That's not a number I pulled out of thin air.
I've been there several times and until you take a ride through Guangzhou or Shenzhen you don't truly have a clue about the scale of what all they put out. That's a whole lot different than Trump putting a tariff on Black Velvet, avocados, sunflower seeds, and some oil. All those things I mentioned earlier that China makes...every single one of them had a 10%, 25%, and now another 10% cost hike and they ain't paying it. You are.
So let me ask you this. If putting tarrifs on other countries only hurts our own country, why did other countries threaten to retaliate by putting tarrifs on us?
Fryowa
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Because to do nothing would give the appearance of being weak.
If say, Germany put a tariff on the US it's not going to do anything measurable. It'd make Mercedes and BMWs more expensive for wealthy people who don't care anyway.
If Mexico retaliated with tariffs it'd make certain produce slightly more expensive but we'd still buy it.
If Canada retaliated with a tariff it'd make the oil price go up slightly, but we've had too many times to count where oil an gas went up much higher than what Canada could affect.
All these other countries are toothless. China's exports have teeth in everything around us.
So when other countries put tarrifs on us, it makes things more expensive for us. But when we put tarrifs on other countries, it also makes prices more expensive for us?
Fryowa
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When we put tariffs on China it makes almost everything more expensive for us. They have the power to pass 100% of the tariff onto us.
When other countries not named China put tariffs on us it makes very inconsequential things more expensive in the US. Things that don't have a large scale impact over everyone. It's a mosquito bite annoyance vs a crocodile clamping down on your leg.
