Trump supporters, how do you square this?

[Hay Man]

So now Trump is pausing tarrifs for a month because Mexico is agreeing to send 10k troops to their border to prevent fentanyl from coming over the border. To me that sounds like a good thing. But unfortunately before we can celebrate, we are going to need a ruling from Fry on whether this news matters or not. I saw notification to a news article about it, which is good. But unfortunately five minutes earlier I saw a tweet from Trump on X talking about it. So since I saw something on X first, does this news count Fry?

Mexico did the same thing at the beginning of Biden's administration, without the need to put a tariff on them and tanking the stock market.

Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala deploy troops to lower migration

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Biden administration has struck an agreement with Mexico, Honduras and Guatemala to temporarily surge security forces to their borders in an effort to reduce the tide of migration to the U.S. border.

apnews.com

 

[PCHawk]

That is the thing. They ordered an investigation into Milley so we have to see what is what. Right away Trump bad see what he did. So, let us see what becomes of the Milley probe. Innocent until proven guilty but I wonder if any wrongdoing turns up how talked about it will be or no real mentions and let's talk about other things that are bad.

The tariffs starting to help us get what want. I guess we should have just asked nicely. I'm sure Mexico and Columbia would have capitulated if we just called up and asked. Of course he is a bully and complain complain but better this than the Biden weakness.


That won't do much as we get most of our stuff from Canada, Mexico, and China. We "sanction" Russia more than tariff them. He is working with OPEC to hurt the Russian oil profits cause that is what makes them rich enough to carry on a war. Obviously that is not the easiest thing getting OPEC going on oil prices. Should ask the Biden admin. why they dropped the US sanctions on Nord Stream 2 and did other things that helped Russia get more oil dollars and be able to have a long conflict. Billions for Iraq as well not enforcing sanctions there and more terrorism is funded. Great policy decisions??

But if they do an investigation on Milley, it's revenge and can't be trusted. But an investigation on Trump? That's for legit reasons and whatever that investigation finds can be trusted.

 

[Hay Man]

But if they do an investigation on Milley, it's revenge and can't be trusted. But an investigation on Trump? That's for legit reasons and whatever that investigation finds can be trusted.

You make it sound like Trump had zero to do with January 6th...correct?? Or sexual assault....

Have you heard of what Milley had done?? I haven't, so please inform us.

 

[PCHawk]

Mexico did the same thing at the beginning of Biden's administration, without the need to put a tariff on them and tanking the stock market.

Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala deploy troops to lower migration

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Biden administration has struck an agreement with Mexico, Honduras and Guatemala to temporarily surge security forces to their borders in an effort to reduce the tide of migration to the U.S. border.

apnews.com

That article mentions 10k troops too which is the same number as now so that's interesting. Did they pull their troops back out and didn't want to deploy them again? The article you quoted also says they had troops there since 2019 when Trump threatened tarrifs.

 

[PCHawk]

You make it sound like Trump had zero to do with January 6th...correct?? Or sexual assault....

Have you heard of what Milley had done?? I haven't, so please inform us.

Trump is the reason the crowd was there so he at minimum had the same amount to do with it as a band would have to do with a riot breaking out at one of their concerts. How much more than that he was responsible is debatable. I have no idea whether or not 30 years ago he sexually assaulted the lady who accused dozens of men over the years of assault.

Milley said some questionable things to Chinese leaders that could be considered treasonous. I think he told them he would warn them if Trump ever decided to attack. When I listened to the hearing, my opinion was he could have easily just been lying to the guy to gain his trust. Saying you will warn a foreign country and actually doing it are two different things. I'm not sure what government procedure is there tho. I'm also not sure if that's one of the things Trump distrusts him over. One thing I do know is if Trump or someone affiliated with him undermined the president like that, there would be a lot of people not willing to give the benifit of doubt.

 

[Hay Man]

Milley said some questionable things to Chinese leaders that could be considered treasonous. I think he told them he would warn them if Trump ever decided to attack. When I listened to the hearing, my opinion was he could have easily just been lying to the guy to gain his trust. Saying you will warn a foreign country and actually doing it are two different things. I'm not sure what government procedure is there tho. I'm also not sure if that's one of the things Trump distrusts him over. One thing I do know is if Trump or someone affiliated with him undermined the president like that, there would be a lot of people not willing to give the benifit of doubt.

I hadn't heard of that and if he did, they better go after him. There is not one person in this country that should ever be above the law... not one

 

[kicker22]

I will say this. If a lady accused me of assaulting her that I didn't, I would have a really hard time keeping my mouth shut too.

But would you continue to call her out after you've already been found guilty of defamation wouldn't you get the hint to keep your mouth shut? He'd already been found guilty of defamation once its like he's going out of his way to gift her millions.

 

[PCHawk]

But would you continue to call her out after you've already been found guilty of defamation wouldn't you get the hint to keep your mouth shut? He'd already been found guilty of defamation once its like he's going out of his way to gift her millions.

It would still be incredibly hard to bite my tongue if she was still going around talking shit. If I had already had the power of president of the United States, it would be really really hard. I get your point tho.

 

[Gibsonian]

I hadn't heard of that and if he did, they better go after him. There is not one person in this country that should ever be above the law... not one

Trump is above the law and the Constitution

 

[Hay Man]

Trump is above the law and the Constitution

Sorry, my bad. Thanks for correcting me!! All hail the King!!!

 

[PCHawk]

I hadn't heard of that and if he did, they better go after him. There is not one person in this country that should ever be above the law... not one

Here is a 6 minute video of his side of the story. I had originally seen a video if him being questioned by congress about the incident. Both videos give me the same impression. It's possible he did nothing wrong and it's possible he did something very wrong. My opinion is that Trump almost certainly knows one way or the other which one it was. I also understand the opinion that Trump can't be trusted.

WATCH: Gen. Milley explains his calls with China over concerns about President Trump

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youtu.be

 

[PCHawk]

Trump is above the law and the Constitution

Trump was less above the law than any president in the history of the country.

 

[SCHawkeye2]

Here's a message board experiment (if folks are willing):

Let's take a topic and discuss the pros and cons of a given policy, and do our best to avoid ad hominem attacks or conspiracy theories.

I'll start:

Trump is going to impose tariffs on imports from Canada, Mexico, and China, starting soon.

Question for the group:

- What are the potential upsides for our economy and individuals in the US, and conversely, what are the downsides?

OK.
I'll play.

Doubt very much they will ever go into effect. Simply a lot of bluster and hand waving to seem like he made good on a stupid campaign promise.

The beneficial use of tariffs is to protect a startup industry to allow it to get established enough to be competitive with foreign competition without support.
OR
Protect an industry or manufacturer producing products vital for national security.

That does not seem to be the rationale here.

The downside of tariffs is that consumers of the taxed good will pay higher prices than a free market solution would deliver. And thereby shifting disposable purchasing resources from the purchase of other goods.
Usually consumers lose all around on tariff wars.

 

[Hay Man]

Trump was less above the law than any president in the history of the country.

Holy shit, are you serious???? Come on dude

 

[Hay Man]

Here is a 6 minute video of his side of the story. I had originally seen a video if him being questioned by congress about the incident. Both videos give me the same impression. It's possible he did nothing wrong and it's possible he did something very wrong. My opinion is that Trump almost certainly knows one way or the other which one it was. I also understand the opinion that Trump can't be trusted.

WATCH: Gen. Milley explains his calls with China over concerns about President Trump

Stream your PBS favorites with the PBS app: https://to.pbs.org/2Jb8twGFind more from PBS NewsHour at https://www.pbs.org/newshourSubscribe to our YouTube cha...

youtu.be

Thanks for the video. Milley doesn't sound like someone that's guilty of wrongdoing and knew exactly what his roll was.

 

[PCHawk]

Holy shit, are you serious???? Come on dude

I meant in the sense that he's been the only one who's ever had any accountability. Legally speaking.

 

[PCHawk]

Thanks for the video. Milley doesn't sound like someone that's guilty of wrongdoing and knew exactly what his roll was.

I agree he comes off fine there. But if you are going to tell China you will let them know if the president decides to attack, you damn well better make sure you and the president are on the same page first.

 

[PCHawk]

So now Canada is agreeing to help with their border problem and the tarrifs will pause for 30 days. Is the problem with the Canada border worse than people think?

 

[Hay Man]

So now Canada is agreeing to help with their border problem and the tarrifs will pause for 30 days. Is the problem with the Canada border worse than people think?

That was something that was agreed upon a couple months ago. Canada is just adding a fentanyl czar for the drug problem??

 

[Hay Man]

Seems like the tariffs were used as a show to get things that were already there or promised before the tariffs, so that Trump can look good???