Trump supporters, how do you square this?

HawkIowa44 said:
It’s amazing what Trump has accomplished. He’s convinced half the country that:

1. Canada & Mexico are our enemies, and Russia & China are our friends.

2. We can’t trust our own elections.

3. Our own DOJ & FBI are THE enemy.

4. Tariffs are cool, and it’s a really good thing for Americans to pay a lot more for cars, gas, & food.

5. Black people & transgender Americans aren’t capable of being air traffic controllers.

And that’s just a start.
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Don’t forget he also taught us that sec 3 of the 14th amendment is a crock and that you can plan and execute an attack on your own government to attempt to steal an election, avoid any responsibility (pattern here) and run for office again. To top it off you can then release all of the violent criminals that bludgeoned and killed, maimed police officers back into society to commit more crimes. Hell of a lesson, our forefathers would be blown away by our disregard of the Constitution
 
HawkIowa44 said:
It’s amazing what Trump has accomplished. He’s convinced half the country that:

1. Canada & Mexico are our enemies, and Russia & China are our friends.

2. We can’t trust our own elections.

3. Our own DOJ & FBI are THE enemy.

4. Tariffs are cool, and it’s a really good thing for Americans to pay a lot more for cars, gas, & food.

5. Black people & transgender Americans aren’t capable of being air traffic controllers.

And that’s just a start.
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Trump the well known serial liar convinced nearly the entire GOP electorate that a decorated career soldier General who lost his son in the Afghanistan war was a liar when he told the country that Trump had called service men and women suckers and losers. I actually think many know the truth and do not care. They support a man so disgusting and craven over a man of extreme honor in the complete corruption of a country’s people. Like Hitler, the country turns to the despicable and away from decency
 
Gibsonian said:
Don’t forget he also taught us that sec 3 of the 14th amendment is a crock and that you can plan and execute an attack on your own government to attempt to steal an election, avoid any responsibility (pattern here) and run for office again. To top it off you can then release all of the violent criminals that bludgeoned and killed, maimed police officers back into society to commit more crimes. Hell of a lesson, our forefathers would be blown away by our disregard of the Constitution
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Killed police officers?
 
Gibsonian said:
Trump the well known serial liar convinced nearly the entire GOP electorate that a decorated career soldier General who lost his son in the Afghanistan war was a liar when he told the country that Trump had called service men and women suckers and losers. I actually think many know the truth and do not care. They support a man so disgusting and craven over a man of extreme honor in the complete corruption of a country’s people. Like Hitler, the country turns to the despicable and away from decency
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Shouldn't the suckers and losers story fall into the conspiracy theory category? It seems like the general rule if thumb is if one guy says something happened and everyone else says it didn't, then it's a conspiracy theory.
 
PCHawk said:
I just don't know enough about the tariff situation either. I see so many opinions that they're great and so many that they're terrible that I don't know what to believe.
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So when the stock market crashes Monday morning, is that going to be Trump’s fault or Biden’s? I 100% guarantee that if it does, Trump won’t take responsibility or say it was because of the tariffs.
 
Gibsonian said:
Don’t forget he also taught us that sec 3 of the 14th amendment is a crock and that you can plan and execute an attack on your own government to attempt to steal an election, avoid any responsibility (pattern here) and run for office again. To top it off you can then release all of the violent criminals that bludgeoned and killed, maimed police officers back into society to commit more crimes. Hell of a lesson, our forefathers would be blown away by our disregard of the Constitution
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The only person killed on 1/6/21 at the capitol was Ashley Babbitt.
 
PCHawk said:
Shouldn't the suckers and losers story fall into the conspiracy theory category? It seems like the general rule if thumb is if one guy says something happened and everyone else says it didn't, then it's a conspiracy theory.
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For you it does I know. You have a habit of sugarcoating all of Trump's disturbing behaviors. I know that a 50 year 4 star Republican Marine General who enlisted during the Vietnam War, lost his son serving , wouldn't serve in the WH after his military career was up only to make up lies so disturbing about a President that he served and then tell the world. Why would he do this? Only people in a cult could decide that the same 5 time draft dodger said about John McCain that he preferred soldiers that didn't get caught was telling the truth here and the General just decided to make up a hideous lie and tell Americans about it. The same guy that insulted the Gold Star family of a slain soldier. James Mattis another distinguished General who got to know Trump as he served under him said he was a threat to our Constitution. No one leaves service of a President and says these things, ever, until Trump. I cannot view all of this thru the rose colored glasses that you wear. When I look at a pig I see a pig.
 
HawkIowa44 said:
So when the stock market crashes Monday morning, is that going to be Trump’s fault or Biden’s? I 100% guarantee that if it does, Trump won’t take responsibility or say it was because of the tariffs.
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That will be a (hopefully) short term problem to fixing a long term problem. It will most definitely be because of Trump's tarrifs tho.
 
Gibsonian said:
For you it does I know. You have a habit of sugarcoating all of Trump's disturbing behaviors. I know that a 50 year 4 star Republican Marine General who enlisted during the Vietnam War, lost his son serving , wouldn't serve in the WH after his military career was up only to make up lies so disturbing about a President that he served and then tell the world. Why would he do this? Only people in a cult could decide that the same 5 time draft dodger said about John McCain that he preferred soldiers that didn't get caught was telling the truth here and the General just decided to make up a hideous lie and tell Americans about it. The same guy that insulted the Gold Star family of a slain soldier. James Mattis another distinguished General who got to know Trump as he served under him said he was a threat to our Constitution. No one leaves service of a President and says these things, ever, until Trump. I cannot view all of this thru the rose colored glasses that you wear. When I look at a pig I see a pig.
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Why would he lie? I don't know him personally. What I do know is the game politicians play. Every election someone comes out of nowhere to tell a story that discredits a candidate. I also know that Trump was always (and still is) very popular with the military. So the democrats looking for someone to go on record to saying Trump talked bad about the military would be right in the wheel house of something they would want to do.

Here's the thing. I'm not saying there's no way Trump said something close to that. I could easily see a situation where Trump was talking about the government shipping kids off to war for their own financial gain and saying you would have to be a sucker to go fight for the government right now. He talks very openly about how sick it is that so many people are dying in Ukraine. What I'm saying is I will never die on the hill that a Democrat did something bad, just because one person said they did. That's just not enough evidence for me to form a strong opinion. I'm also betting that if one person came out with a negative story about a Democrat and everyone else said it wasn't true, you couldn't disregard it fast enough. You say why would this guy lie? I say why would all the people who say it didn't happen lie? Just ask yourself truthfully, if one four star General said something bad about Biden, and then a bunch of other people came out and said it didn't happen, what would you think?
 
Since three other guys have tried changing conversation from just a bitch fest and failed miserably, I'll give it a shot too. How about we all say a time that a negative story came out about a candidate from the "other side" and you instantly called bull shit.

The first one that comes to mind for me is when Biden fell over on his bike. From the video, you could clearly tell his foot got caught on his petal and he couldn't get it off in time to get his foot down. That's something that could easily happen to anyone. I thought it was more impressive that he didn't break something than anything else. But certain people used it as an example that he so old he couldn't even ride a bike.
 
PCHawk said:
Everything you say here is fine. But it's not really about what I was saying. I'm not even debating whether or not people should have a problem with his crimes. I'm debating on what the meaning is behind going after him for smaller crimes when they've never gone after a president before. I'll use an extreme example to illustrate what I'm saying. Imagine if three presidents in a row committed first degree murder and weren’t charged because they were presidents. Then the next president came along and they changed the penalty for jaywalking to a felony and charged him for jaywalking from 10 years ago. Would you wonder why they let past presidents off for murder just to throw the book at the next one for jaywalking?

The point is, right or wrong, presidents have gotten away with anything and everything for the history of the country. That shouldn't be the case but it is. Once they finally decided to hold a president responsible, it needed to be a "holy shit there's no way they could let that one go!" situation. Otherwise, it looks like they are just going after a political opponent.
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While I see your point. We'll never get to that "holy shit there's no way they could let that one go" moment if they continue to establish the precedence that politician's are above the law. They come down hard on one and you know damn well. Misdemeanor's no, but felonies yes. It has to start somewhere. How do we seriously expect felon's or anyone for that matter to submit background checks and hold them accountable for the past when we give our legislators a free pass. Especially when those same presidents are holding others accountable.
 
PCHawk said:
I agree with this. But the truth is, he does both. He shows the empathy too. But like someone else already said. When he shows empathy, the media spins that into a bad thing too. Trump couldn't be further from perfect. But he could give a 10 minute speech full of empathy about an event and quickly mention a political agenda for five seconds and that five seconds is the only thing you would hear about. That doesn't mean those five seconds weren't dumb of him to do. But if the media ignored the five seconds and instead raved about the other 9+ minutes of empathy, imagine how different people would look at him. That's the benifit democrats have. With them it's the opposite. Ignore the bad stuff like "if you don't vote for me you ain't black" and constantly spin everything into a positive.
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The problem is if it were an isolated incident or a one time thing, I'd be ok with it. This is a President that knows he's always going to be watched, has a history of going after the media (which right or wrong doesn't help him one bit), and is famous for going on rants about how smart he is. But here we are, time and time again where it seems like there should be a countdown during any time he's being a camera (tragedy or not) where you just instantly know its coming. So when it happens over and over the way it does, how can you say without a doubt it truly is empathic and not a way of him to simply transition into one of his rants. Someone who thinks they're that smart can't truly be that stupid.
 
kicker22 said:
While I see your point. We'll never get to that "holy shit there's no way they could let that one go" moment if they continue to establish the precedence that politician's are above the law. They come down hard on one and you know damn well. Misdemeanor's no, but felonies yes. It has to start somewhere. How do we seriously expect felon's or anyone for that matter to submit background checks and hold them accountable for the past when we give our legislators a free pass. Especially when those same presidents are holding others accountable.
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At first I was going to agree with your first point and respond by saying something along the lines of as long as what they are doing is establishing a new presidence for the future that crime won't be allowed, then I'm ok with it. But the more I think about it, I don't think I agree. I think you're basically saying is there's no way we could charge a president for a huge crime in the future unless we charge one with a smaller crimes first. I don't think I can agree with that.

One other agreement against the possibility that they are getting Trump now to establish a new future that politicians aren't above the law. Democrats spent the last year plus making the argument that if Trump tries to hold anyone accountable, it will be solely for revenge purposes. Then to make matters worse, Biden pardoned everyone to make sure no one had a chance to be held accountable if they did something wrong. That doesn't make me very confident that our government was just trying to turn a new leaf .
 
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