Trump supporters, how do you square this?

[HuckFinn]

Exactly and the reason she didn’t invoke the 25th amendment and become the president this summer is because the powers behind the president knew if she had become president it would have been even more evident that she was completely incompetent.

And you know this, how?

 

[HuckFinn]

I don't know if you're too familiar with HHS, which is a giant entity that is really complex. It houses CDC, NIH, CMS, FDA, etc. I'm not sure if you have much of a grasp of what that entails. HHS has a budget of over $130B and employs 80,000 people. It houses medical research, public health, and all of public healthcare financing. You'd damn well better know what you're talking about to lead all of that, IMHO. "know within a week" LOL.

There are so many important departments that comprise HHS. This guy might destroy them:

https://www.hhs.gov/about/agencies/hhs-agencies-and-offices/index.html

Not knowing what Medicare A even is, or whether or not Medicaid requires a premium is just not good, wouldn't you agree? Also, RFK is not a proven leader, either. He's literally hated by everyone in his extended family. If I were to run for office or political appointment, my family would support me if I represented either party. Something is rotten here, and it's RFK.

Would you hire the next Iowa Football coach if he is a great motivational leader, but knew nothing about the game of football? Of course not.

I'm not at all interested in getting into a back and forth with you. I've watched you do it with another poster. No thanks!

Yup

 

[thedukeofearl]

There's no argument it's a dumb question, but there's a better way to answer it. There's an element of empathy and simply just being human that he ignores. California fires, immediately attacks Newsom, plane crash he immediately makes it a DEI issue. The problem isn't that he's necessarily wrong its the fact the timing is completely inappropriate. People are hurting and rather than truly sympathizing with them he's using their pain to immediately spin it into a political issue. That's the difference between him and others. He may truly care, but he can't shut up long enough for it to come across as sincere.

This is beyond the realm of possibility

 

[HuckFinn]

Will be interesting to see what comes of 2 tragic airplane crashes since Trump has not only been elected but also the moves he has or has not made to address NTBS effectiveness. Hmm. Yeah. I admit to speculation.

 

[PCHawk]

It should be noted that while it's stupid of Trump to use the plane tragedy for political points, democrats are doing the exact same thing by blaming this crash on Trump.

 

[HawkIowa44]

It should be noted that while it's stupid of Trump to use the plane tragedy for political points, democrats are doing the exact same thing by blaming this crash on Trump.

Here’s the difference, if Biden or Obama were in office, they wouldn’t be blaming Trump. Has he ever taken responsibility for anything? Other than good things.

 

[Gibsonian]

There's no argument it's a dumb question, but there's a better way to answer it. There's an element of empathy and simply just being human that he ignores. California fires, immediately attacks Newsom, plane crash he immediately makes it a DEI issue. The problem isn't that he's necessarily wrong its the fact the timing is completely inappropriate. People are hurting and rather than truly sympathizing with them he's using their pain to immediately spin it into a political issue. That's the difference between him and others. He may truly care, but he can't shut up long enough for it to come across as sincere.

Trump is a synonym for inappropriate. Blaming and insulting others is his MO. No other leader in our nearly 250 year history spent his time inventing name and slurs for so many individuals. How any normal human does not view such a morally bankrupt individual with disgust is beyond my comprehension

 

[Gibsonian]

Trump is a synonym for inappropriate. Blaming and insulting others is his MO. No other leader in our nearly 250 year history spent his time inventing name and slurs for so many individuals. How any normal human does not view such a morally bankrupt individual with disgust is beyond my comprehension

List of nicknames used by Donald Trump - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Westernhawk]

Here's a message board experiment (if folks are willing):

Let's take a topic and discuss the pros and cons of a given policy, and do our best to avoid ad hominem attacks or conspiracy theories.

I'll start:

Trump is going to impose tariffs on imports from Canada, Mexico, and China, starting soon.

Question for the group:

- What are the potential upsides for our economy and individuals in the US, and conversely, what are the downsides?

I see everyone just wants to bitch at each other. This was my attempt at having a policy based, civil discussion. Swing and a miss on my part.

 

[Westernhawk]

I think the bigger something is, the more the point I was making matters. A small business owner needs to know everything about everything. If you're the head of something that big, it's simply impossible to know everything. I'd be curious to know how hos lack of knowledge stacks up to past nominees.

Judging by what the media says about Kennedy compared to the things he actually says, I just go into a conversation about him assuming there's a good chance the person I'm talking to is misinformed. You talking about his family confirms that to me. He has a huge family. Some agree with him and some don't. I come from a really small family and i couldn't disagree more about politics with some of them. How could anyone expect for a family that big to all agree politically. And maybe you are the type of person who would support your family member if they ran for office for the "wrong party", and so would I, but a lot of people out there disown family members over political beliefs. I think that it says more about the family members railing of RFK than it says about him.

I would not hire a football coach who knew nothing about football. Kennedy got hired to clean up corruption, which he knows a lot about. A lot of people think that step is necessary.

This will likely be my last post directed at you, but if you have some quotes by some of the other Kennedy members supporting him, I'll gladly change my thoughts on that, and stand corrected. I have the ability to change my view based upon new information coming in, which brings me to my next point.

It's pretty pointless to argue anything factual with conspiracy theorists. It's like hitting one's head against a wall. I actually read real research papers fairly regularly, and have a pretty solid base of knowledge about how research is conducted, the effectiveness of vaccines, the real risk of vaccines, how health care is actually financed, etc. I do think it matters to have leaders that can guide the organizations they lead with an informed approach. Kennedy is a know nothing with a financial interest in tearing down the research establishment, particularly as it relates to vaccines (he has a financial stake in a lawsuit against Gardisil). Root out corruption or bringing in corruption? We shall see. The shitty deal here is that if every kid got a Gardisil shot, it would prevent 90% of cervical cancers. Dismantling the research apparatus and limiting vaccines will result in more deaths, period. It's really sad, and it honestly makes me very angry. I get that this is a game to you, and you're sparring for "your team" on the internet. Count me out. I'll go back and work in real life with real people who care about others and make a difference in this world. Enjoy fighting for people that will look very bad in 10 years.