HawkIowa44
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He’s also lied more the first day in office than Biden did over four years.
Trump supporters, how do you square this?
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Those people have already been in jail for a longer period of time than any assult or vandalism justified. To be clear, the people who assaulted cops deserved close to that amount of time. People who vandalized deserved less. People who trespassed deserved way less. Not a single person was charged with insurrection because it wasn't an insurrection.
Having the ability to answer questions makes it an upgrade.
thedukeofearl
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Praise your lord
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donny gonna fiddle around and around
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But at least we can get the January 6th patriots to restore order to Greenland after we conquer it
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donny gonna fiddle around and around
Nero Burns Rome and Sings
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But at least we can get the January 6th patriots to restore order to Greenland after we conquer it
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thedukeofearl
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Y'all remember the Sixth, don't ya
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No worries, donny's gonna pardon a ton of em
How Trump Supporters Stormed The Capitol | I Was There | @ladbiblestories
One year ago today, Trump supporters stormed the Capitol.In this episode of I WAS THERE, we hear a series of eye witness accounts across a timeline of events...
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No worries, donny's gonna pardon a ton of em
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thedukeofearl
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This is Your America
Cherish It
Praise your leaders, folks
Cherish It
Praise your leaders, folks
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Those guys were all democrats a few weeks ago except for Musk who was a few years ago. No one seemed to care then.
Shouldn't thet all be out of jail by now anyway?Y'all remember the Sixth, don't ya
How Trump Supporters Stormed The Capitol | I Was There | @ladbiblestories
One year ago today, Trump supporters stormed the Capitol.In this episode of I WAS THERE, we hear a series of eye witness accounts across a timeline of events...
No worries, donny's gonna pardon a ton of em
Fryowa
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No one has answered this in the other thread, btw.
You guys would all just rather argue and do the, "My team is better!!!" "No, MY team is better!!!" bullshit. It's hilarious.
You're all more worried about convincing people you're right who will never change their minds anyway than you are about an actual solution. That makes you the same as the politicians, lol.
Hay Man
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I would love to see compromise of some of the issues you have stated, partly because some of those things don't affect me personally. That's what's so hard to get everyone to agree with it. Neither party wants to give an inch to help those of us, so why should they compromise? It's a pipe dream and we keep getting the shaft no matter what side you're on.
I like the idea of compromise, but each issue needs to be compromised instead of trading one thing to another.
For instance, both sides of the extreme abortion stances need to go away. National ban on all abortions past 20 weeks other than safety of mother. All abortion legal up until 6 weeks. States decide the middle ground.
On gun control. Leave 2nd amendment but make it harder to get and keep a gun.
Boarder control. Make legal immigration easier and illegal immigration harder.
Those are the compromises that need to happen. Saying "I'll give you this in return for that" would never work. It's easy to give up something you don't care as much about in return for something you care a lot about and say you compromised. Going more towards the middle on an issue you care a lot about is a true compromise. But then again, when your stance is already in the middle on a lot of issues, it's easy to say that's where they should be.
If you let the other party have a win, it makes it harder for your party to get elected next time. It's in the best interest of the party that's not in power to make sure America fails for the next 4 years. The harder it fails, the more likely you get back in power next election. It makes success impossible.
I'm sure to an extent, the two party system was always that way. But now days, the wealth these politicians accumulate through corruption has made winning so much more important. That's why it's so shocking that people don't think people cheat on elections.
Fryowa
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False. Your 3 examples above are just what you said won't work. It's compromise. Doesn't matter what form it takes, compromise means everyone gains something and everyone loses something.
And my examples could certainly work. There are countless times when unrelated things have been added to or subtracted from bills in order for the other side to get them through.
Fryowa
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I will answer this when I have time to respond properly.
What are you saying is false? I'm saying each individual issue needs compromise instead of compromising one issue for another. And I understand that's how they do bills. But in my opinion, piggybacking things into bills is one of the more shady things congress does.
Fryowa
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It's more "deal-making" than shady. If congresspeople don't thoroughly read the bills they're voting on they shouldn't be doing that job, but I digress.
Kinda I guess. The biggest issue is when something completely unreasonable is in the bill along with something everyone wants, and then the other side says "can you believe the other side voted against stopping illegals from raping and murdering kids!" or something stupid like that.
Fryowa
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I would counter that "completely unreasonable" is a matter of individual perception.
If a bill to say, cap prescription drug prices included add-on language that offered tax loopholes to pharma companies and still passed a hypothetical 50/50 congress, that add-on language can't be considered unreasonable because:
1) Both sides voted for it to pass, and
2) It must have been reasonable enough that the opposing side thought what they got in return (cap on drug prices) was worth the squeeze.
Obviously a 50/50 congress isn't the norm and sometimes control over the house/senate lines in one party's hands, but them's the breaks.
So add-ons might be unreasonable to you, but perfectly reasonable to another person, and even neutral to another. That's the art of the deal so to speak. But at the end of the day something got done and it's the thing no one in our government wants to work out nowadays.
Regarding the example you gave of
That's where the problem begins with politicians. They're more worried about assigning blame and gaslighting to make the other side look bad (GOP and dems both) than they are seeing things for the finished product. For every omelette you make you have to break a certain number of eggs. Yeah, we all want everyone to be in agreement, but it simply doesn't work that way. Never has, never will. But you still need to come to a compromise and live with it. Someone has to be the wolf and someone has to be the lamb in every situation in life. You just try to moderate it as much as possible and if both sides could see that, they'd be able to work together and say, "We'll take turns being the lamb." But stubbornness and pride don't let it happen anymore like it used to. These people would rather lose a mile than give an inch.
In my example above, one side wants caps on drug prices and to stick it to big pharma at the same time, and because they know they can't have both they stonewall instead of choosing one or the other. And we suffer because of it and nothing's ever done about the problem.
