Trump supporters, how do you square this?

[PCHawk]

If Trump would have pardoned Jarred Kuchner of his business dealings in Saudi Arabia, I would have thought he either did some shady ass dealings with them or he thinks his political opponents are going to come after him just because he's Trump's family. I would have assumed it was probably the former, but I wouldn't have known for certain. But if he gave everyone in hos family blanket pardons for crimes they weren't even accused of, I would have thought "damn clearly their family did some bad shit while he was in office".

If Hunter would have just been pardoned for his dealings in Ukraine and the personal shit like hookers, drugs, and guns, I would have thought "yea I already knew about the Ukraine stuff and even tho it's more than likely true, it's still a possibility that they are just trying to avoid the hassle of a trial. But when he gets a blanket pardon, and then 5 or 6 other family members gets blanket pardons, I can't help but assume they were into all sorts of stuff.

 

[Hay Man]

So, anyone that is given a blanket pardon is guilty of something and those that don't get them are innocent?

 

[Hay Man]

Accusations have been running rampant for years on both sides and you know as well as I do that neither party is in the free and clear.

 

[Fryowa]

I wasn't angry at anything that was said before you came in. It seemed like a normal conversation. My main beef is with Trump, as I've stated multiple times.

I absolutely agree with what you're saying about how different it used to be and wish we could go back to those times.

No shit. Who's fighting here? Seemed like a normal conversation with me.

It was aimed at this whole thread, not just you two.

And @PCHawk how old are you?

 

[PCHawk]

It was aimed at this whole thread, not just you two.

And @PCHawk how old are you?

Almost 48. So alive, but no memory of politics.

 

[PCHawk]

So, anyone that is given a blanket pardon is guilty of something and those that don't get them are innocent?

Thats over simplifying for sure. I'd say the odds of being guilty of something if you receive a blanket pardon is at least 90%. The odds of doing something you could end up in jail over, having the option to pardon yourself, and choosing not to do it is very unlikely too.

 

[Hay Man]

Thats over simplifying for sure. I'd say the odds of being guilty of something if you receive a blanket pardon is at least 90%. The odds of doing something you could end up in jail over, having the option to pardon yourself, and choosing not to do it is very unlikely too.

Your undying belief and support in Trump not being guilty of any crimes at the same time thinking everyone else is guilty is quite remarkable.

 

[PCHawk]

I just watched a montage from four years ago of media outlets saying if Trump pardoned family members it would be an admittance of guilt. I wonder what they will say now?

 

[Hay Man]

Didn't they also say 8 years ago that a person convicted of a felony or being investigated by the FBI should be disqualified from running and being President???

 

[Hay Man]

I just watched a montage from four years ago of media outlets saying if Trump pardoned family members it would be an admittance of guilt. I wonder what they will say now?

Didn't he also pardon Jared Kushner's dad and then is now appointing him as an Ambassador to France??

 

[PCHawk]

Your undying belief and support in Trump not being guilty of any crimes at the same time thinking everyone else is guilty is quite remarkable.

I dont think Trump was for sure not guilty of anything. I think they tried really hard to find things to get him on and the things they found lead me to believe they couldn't find anything too big. One thing they had to change a penalty from a misdemeanor to a felony (I do think he is guilty of that one). One they had to change the statute of limitations on and use a woman who accused everyone and their brother of assult. One they had to accuse him of something that was a victimless crime and common business procedure. I'm actually kinda impressed they couldn't find more on a guy like Trump. Either way, the crimes they found to go after him for means he's way cleaner than I would have guessed.

 

[PCHawk]

Didn't he also pardon Jared Kushner's dad and then is now appointing him as an Ambassador to France??

I personally don't like the idea that a president can pardon whomever he wants. So maybe we agree on that. My whole point here is the people who swore up and down that Trump was for sure guilty because the DA accused him of it and the court confirmed it, lost all ground to stand on when trying to defend these blanket pardons.

My other point is if there was anyone Trump would have gone after it was Hillary for spying on his campaign and the Russian Collusion hoax. Not only did he not go after her, but when asked about it he said it would have been a bad look for the country. There's no history that suggests Biden needed to issue blanket pardons to so many random family members to defend them from Trump.

 

[Hay Man]

I personally don't like the idea that a president can pardon whomever he wants. So maybe we agree on that. My whole point here is the people who swore up and down that Trump was for sure guilty because the DA accused him of it and the court confirmed it, lost all ground to stand on when trying to defend these blanket pardons.

My other point is if there was anyone Trump would have gone after it was Hillary for spying on his campaign and the Russian Collusion hoax. Not only did he not go after her, but when asked about it he said it would have been a bad look for the country. There's no history that suggests Biden needed to issue blanket pardons to so many random family members to defend them from Trump.

Presidents being guilty or not seems like a bigger deal than who these guys pardon. Don't think they're on the same level. But the pardons have gotten out of control lately.

Didn't Hillary testify for 12 or 13 hours straight in front of congress and they didn't get anything concrete? Once again, if these people are guilty, by all means put them where they belong.

Either way, hopefully at some point congress will be more transparent (95% sure it never happens) and show the citizens of the U.S. all of the evidence from any of these people's transgressions. Jimmy Carter might be the only one in the clear over the past century.

 

[Hay Man]

PCHawk,

Enjoy your inauguration day - I think most of us wish Trump will do the right things and prove some of us wrong. I don't personally think that happens, but we'll see.

 

[PCHawk]

Presidents being guilty or not seems like a bigger deal than who these guys pardon. Don't think they're on the same level. But the pardons have gotten out of control lately.

Didn't Hillary testify for 12 or 13 hours straight in front of congress and they didn't get anything concrete? Once again, if these people are guilty, by all means put them where they belong.

Either way, hopefully at some point congress will be more transparent (95% sure it never happens) and show the citizens of the U.S. all of the evidence from any of these people's transgressions. Jimmy Carter might be the only one in the clear over the past century.

A president being guilty is way worse so you're right there.

Supposedly she scrubbed her computers that had all the evidence. If that's true, tough to be found guilty of anything.

One thing the Trump team keeps talking about (and I know talk is cheap) is transparency in government. I really hope it happens but I'm right at the 95% with you that it won't.

 

[PCHawk]

PCHawk,

Enjoy your inauguration day - I think most of us wish Trump will do the right things and prove some of us wrong. I don't personally think that happens, but we'll see.

You too man (hay man)! I personally think he's going to try but I also don't know how tied the president’s hands are in this system. AI will probably destroy us soon anyway.

Sorry I've been watching Terminator movies with my son.