Trump supporters, how do you square this?

[Hay Man]

Fry, there has got to be a lot of people on this board that are tired of you acting as if you have the answer for everything and being right. I can have a disagreement with PC and that's fine, but your arrogance tops them all on this board. You've been doing the same engagement with PC for the past few months and now all of a sudden, we're the idiots??? It must be so great to be you

 

[PCHawk]

Yes, they're both terrible!!!

Look Fry, we're agreeing and being best buds. Do we get Christmas gifts from you now for being good on your board?????

Hey don't worry about what Fry says. He's not the brightest tool in the shed. If you tell him you watched a CNN interview on Twitter, he doesn't think your source is CNN, or the person giving the interview. He thinks your source is twitter. If he thinks you're dumb, you're doing something right.

 

[PCHawk]

Fry, there has got to be a lot of people on this board that are tired of you acting as if you have the answer for everything and being right. I can have a disagreement with PC and that's fine, but your arrogance tops them all on this board. You've been doing the same engagement with PC for the past few months and now all of a sudden, we're the idiots??? It must be so great to be you

You just became my new favorite poster!

 

[Glass1/2fullguy]

Did it talk about the vaccines?

Too many still making $ off the covid vaccine. Hell there are still medical professionals recommending perfectly health children to get the shot.

 

[Fryowa]

You don't know shit about me or who I am.

I sure do. You tell everyone all they need to know with your political rants.

Oh, and you haven’t been here near long enough to get Christmas gifts.

 

[Hay Man]

I sure do. You tell everyone all they need to know with your political rants.

Oh, and you haven’t been here near long enough to get Christmas gifts.

I think if you look back at most of my rants, you'll see my absolute disdain for Trump and what he stands for. If the Republicans would have had someone like Romney or McCain, I would have voted for them over Harris.

Maybe one toy in my stocking??

 

[Westernhawk]

I didn't bring you in anything, you brought yourself.

Both your stupid parties are the same. A bunch of idiots fighting with each other over shit instead of actually compromising and getting something done. You and every other partisan wacko (left or right) are more concerned with being right and never giving an inch of ground and you'd rather die on a sinking ship than try to work together to save things. You'd rather fall into a civil war than give up a sliver of compromise. Righties would too.

You're all the same, amigo. Just different versions.

The one thing that I'd like you to consider is that one can be very anti-trump, and not necessarily anti- Republican. I personally don't see Trump as a conservative, or a republican. Does that seem reasonable to you? The title of the thread is related to Trump specifically.

I voted for dems and republicans in local and state elections, fwiw.

I did not vote for Trump for a litany of reasons. I wish both parties would put forth better candidates. And I still think character matters in leadership, unlike many Americans, apparently.

 

[Westernhawk]

Too many still making $ off the covid vaccine. Hell there are still medical professionals recommending perfectly health children to get the shot.

What is your expertise in this area?

 

[Westernhawk]

I think if you look back at most of my rants, you'll see my absolute disdain for Trump and what he stands for. If the Republicans would have had someone like Romney or McCain, I would have voted for them over Harris.

Maybe one toy in my stocking??

We have a winner! A lot of people aggressively defend Trump because they feel it's a left vs right issue. It SHOULD be an everybody versus Trump issue. We just need good candidates who have character, and aren't felons or rapists.

 

[Fryowa]

The one thing that I'd like you to consider is that one can be very anti-trump, and not necessarily anti- Republican. I personally don't see Trump as a conservative, or a republican. Does that seem reasonable to you? The title of the thread is related to Trump specifically.

I think you're confused about my viewpoints. Trump/Harris/DP/GOP are all the same thing. There is no distinguishment between them to me. None.

I am anti-all of them. Every single one. Trump, Harris, democratic party, and republican party. I've explained my stance in detail in this thread. The candidates are 100% independent of the parties they (claim to) represent. They are puppets on strings of the party machines. They want fame and power. The parties give that to them in return for their perceived electability. Congress and senate, same deal.

They want careers, not the best interests of our country. They want to mudsling and stall progress in the name of no compromise. They think compromise is weakness and in return we all suffer for it. Politicians left and right would rather cling to a sinking ship and die drowning than work with each other to both survive. Politicians are sub-human pieces of sh*t who are allowed to do what they do because the condition of the country is of no consequence to them. They're rich, powerful, and insulated from all of the problems everyone else faces.

Left and right. Both equally garbage. You vote for a mix like you said, but none of them are any good as humans.

I'll vote for a candidate who will agree to a single 4 year term, $60K per year salary, 15 year ban on stock holdings other than index mutual funds from the time they leave office, lifetime ban on holding a board seat or executive position in any company over $50M in yearly revenue, and lifetime publicly available tax returns. If you won't do any of that it tells me you aren't in it for the good of the people and you value money and power more than the best interests of the country. Hate to tell you, there are people in this country who'd be great leaders and would agree to that. But they won't be elected or even nominated because you have to belong to either Team A or B. They hold all the cake and they decide who gets it.

And I still think character matters in leadership, unlike many Americans, apparently.

That's the problem. There is no character. Until people start understanding that there is no character on either side of this duopoly, nothing will change. I'm under no illusion it's ever going to change, just so we're clear.

 

[PCHawk]

The one thing that I'd like you to consider is that one can be very anti-trump, and not necessarily anti- Republican. I personally don't see Trump as a conservative, or a republican. Does that seem reasonable to you? The title of the thread is related to Trump specifically.

I voted for dems and republicans in local and state elections, fwiw.

I did not vote for Trump for a litany of reasons. I wish both parties would put forth better candidates. And I still think character matters in leadership, unlike many Americans, apparently.

I agree that Trump isn't really a Republican. I'm just more anti-career Republican and Democrat, and pro Trump.

 

[PCHawk]

We have a winner! A lot of people aggressively defend Trump because they feel it's a left vs right issue. It SHOULD be an everybody versus Trump issue. We just need good candidates who have character, and aren't felons or rapists.

I defend Trump because the established left and right are both against him. If I thought it was a left vs right issue I wouldn't even care because that's just a big game.

 

[PCHawk]

I think you're confused about my viewpoints. Trump/Harris/DP/GOP are all the same thing. There is no distinguishment between them to me. None.

I am anti-all of them. Every single one. Trump, Harris, democratic party, and republican party. I've explained my stance in detail in this thread. The candidates are 100% independent of the parties they (claim to) represent. They are puppets on strings of the party machines. They want fame and power. The parties give that to them in return for their perceived electability. Congress and senate, same deal.

They want careers, not the best interests of our country. They want to mudsling and stall progress in the name of no compromise. They think compromise is weakness and in return we all suffer for it. Politicians left and right would rather cling to a sinking ship and die drowning than work with each other to both survive. Politicians are sub-human pieces of sh*t who are allowed to do what they do because the condition of the country is of no consequence to them. They're rich, powerful, and insulated from all of the problems everyone else faces.

Left and right. Both equally garbage. You vote for a mix like you said, but none of them are any good as humans.

I'll vote for a candidate who will agree to a single 4 year term, $60K per year salary, 15 year ban on stock holdings other than index mutual funds from the time they leave office, lifetime ban on holding a board seat or executive position in any company over $50M in yearly revenue, and lifetime publicly available tax returns. If you won't do any of that it tells me you aren't in it for the good of the people and you value money and power more than the best interests of the country. Hate to tell you, there are people in this country who'd be great leaders and would agree to that. But they won't be elected or even nominated because you have to belong to either Team A or B. They hold all the cake and they decide who gets it.


That's the problem. There is no character. Until people start understanding that there is no character on either side of this duopoly, nothing will change. I'm under no illusion it's ever going to change, just so we're clear.

I agree that if someone ever ran and got in that wanted to make a difference, they would do anything to stop him. I don't understand how you can think that way and not realize that's exactly what happened with Trump. They impeached him for trying to uncover the corruption in Ukraine. They almost certainly rigged the election to get him out of office. Then they tried to bankrupt him, jail him, and kill him to keep him from getting back in. I just don't get how you can be halfway there with your thinking and not put the rest together. What do you think will happen to an outsider who tries to get in office?

 

[PCHawk]

What is your expertise in this area?

You don't really need to be an expert to be able to read numbers. Have you read the numbers on the risks of kids getting covid?

 

[PCHawk]

Trump brought democrats over to his team. Democrats have brought Republicans over to their team. People need to understand that the teams have changed. It's now people who want wars the status quo in Washington vs people who at least say they don't want that. Sure it's possible that the people who are saying they want to end wars and clean up Washington are lying. But I'm pretty sure we all know that the people who say they want wars and for Washington to stay the same are telling the truth.

 

[Westernhawk]

I think you're confused about my viewpoints. Trump/Harris/DP/GOP are all the same thing. There is no distinguishment between them to me. None.

I am anti-all of them. Every single one. Trump, Harris, democratic party, and republican party. I've explained my stance in detail in this thread. The candidates are 100% independent of the parties they (claim to) represent. They are puppets on strings of the party machines. They want fame and power. The parties give that to them in return for their perceived electability. Congress and senate, same deal.

They want careers, not the best interests of our country. They want to mudsling and stall progress in the name of no compromise. They think compromise is weakness and in return we all suffer for it. Politicians left and right would rather cling to a sinking ship and die drowning than work with each other to both survive. Politicians are sub-human pieces of sh*t who are allowed to do what they do because the condition of the country is of no consequence to them. They're rich, powerful, and insulated from all of the problems everyone else faces.

Left and right. Both equally garbage. You vote for a mix like you said, but none of them are any good as humans.

I'll vote for a candidate who will agree to a single 4 year term, $60K per year salary, 15 year ban on stock holdings other than index mutual funds from the time they leave office, lifetime ban on holding a board seat or executive position in any company over $50M in yearly revenue, and lifetime publicly available tax returns. If you won't do any of that it tells me you aren't in it for the good of the people and you value money and power more than the best interests of the country. Hate to tell you, there are people in this country who'd be great leaders and would agree to that. But they won't be elected or even nominated because you have to belong to either Team A or B. They hold all the cake and they decide who gets it.


That's the problem. There is no character. Until people start understanding that there is no character on either side of this duopoly, nothing will change. I'm under no illusion it's ever going to change, just so we're clear.

Thanks. I think we tend to agree on most of this, but I think comparing Trump to virtually any other president in history is a mistake, and a false equivalency. I agree with most of what you said, however.

I do think Trump is a demonstrably worse human than many (most) elected officials, and his criminal and civil judgments support my stance. In addition, many in his circle have gone to prison for actual, proven crimes. His personal lawyer(s) have been either imprisoned, disbarred, or both. His close advisors have done prison time for fraud and the like.

You are welcome to your opinion that they are all the same. I disagree with only one point. Trump is different, and I'll stand by that forever.

I very much agree with your points about limitations (financially) on terms and income. There is just so much corruption.

I was once part of a state Governor's Fellowship, which encouraged leaders to go into public service. Two of my classmates are now mayors of cities in that state. They are awesome people. There are some folks out there (usually at the local level) who do this for the right reasons. On the national level, not so much! Cheers.

 

[Westernhawk]

You don't really need to be an expert to be able to read numbers. Have you read the numbers on the risks of kids getting covid?

Yes.

 

[Glass1/2fullguy]

What is your expertise in this area?

Are you trying to say the two statements i made are not facts?

 

[Westernhawk]

Are you trying to say the two statements i made are not facts?

No, just curious if you have any knowledge in this area, or just seeing some things and making judgements as a lay person (which is fine, but clarifying).

 

[PCHawk]

Since Hay Man never responded to the question on what felonies Trump has all answer. The first of 34 felonies was him writing a check to his lawyer to reimburse funs to pay off the porn star. That's not a crime to do, but since he used campaign funds to pay it, it was a crime. That crime has been charged as a misdemeanor in the past but they recently upgraded it to a felony. In my opinion it should be a crime because it's bs to use donations to campaign funds for personal use. The fact that they upped it to a felony before going after Trump is interesting.

The other 33 felonies were all because he paid back his lawyer with 34 separate checks. Probably to help hide the crime. So basically, all 34 felonies he was convicted of was for one crime that was recently a misdemeanor. But hey, they sure got a lot of use out of saying "convicted of multiple felonies".