Trash talk or poor sportsmanship?

https://www.theblaze.com/fearless/o...iger-woods-while-angel-reese-is-fuzzy-zoeller

Im not typically a Jason Whitlock fan but this article is pretty solid. Not that it matters but if you dont know JW is black man and not afraid to share his opinons. Its a free article so I copied and pasted it below.

The basketball establishment is reacting to Caitlin Clark much the same way the golf establishment reacted to Tiger Woods 25 years ago.

Most of the establishment is overjoyed. They see the opportunity, attention, and cash the Iowa basketball star can bring to the women’s game. And then there’s the contingent of bigots, the people fearful that Clark’s ascension will diminish them.

South Carolina head coach Dawn Staley and LSU center Angel Reese are the leaders of the latter group. They’re Fuzzy Zoeller. Tiger Woods triggered Zoeller.


You remember Fuzzy? He won the 1979 Masters and the 1984 U.S. Open. More than those victories, Zoeller is remembered for the racist and mean-spirited comments he made toward Tiger Woods during the final round of the 1997 Masters.

“He’s doing quite well, pretty impressive,” Zoeller told reporters. “That little boy is driving well, and he’s putting well. He’s doing everything it takes to win. So, you know what you guys do when he gets in here? You pat him on the back and say, ‘Congratulations and enjoy it,’ and tell him not to serve fried chicken next year. Got it.”

Zoeller snapped his fingers and turned away from reporters. He then turned back to say, “Or collard greens or whatever the hell they serve.”

Caitlin Clark, a white basketball star dominating a black sport, triggered Staley and Reese.

Clark’s Hawkeyes upset Staley’s No.1-ranked South Carolina team Friday night in the semifinals of the Final Four. Following the game, Staley deflected attention away from her coaching errors and Clark’s magnificent performance by complaining that unnamed reporters called South Carolina players thugs and monkeys. Staley framed Iowa coach Lisa Bluder’s harmless comment about a rebounding “bar fight” as racist.

Staley invented a racial narrative out of thin air. Corporate media sold Staley’s lies and gossip.

A white reporter egged Staley on, suggesting that the unsubstantiated criticism of Staley’s players was “dangerous.”

LSU players picked up where Staley stopped. The Tigers claimed they were disrespected and upset about the way Iowa defended South Carolina. I’m not joking. The fact that Iowa sagged off South Carolina along the perimeter disrespected LSU.

That was offered as part of the justification for Reese stalking and taunting Clark at the conclusion of LSU’s victory in Sunday’s championship game. Barstool Sports' Dave Portnoy and political pundit Keith Olbermann responded to Reese’s classless taunting by topping Reese’s lack of class. Via Twitter, Portnoy called Reese a piece of [poop] and Olbermann called Reese “a f*****g idiot.”

Portnoy's and Olbermann’s tweets justified ESPN’s Jalen Rose connecting the criticism of Reese to Staley’s postgame whining.

“How Angel Reese is being vilified by many highlights exactly what Dawn Staley was talking about,” Rose tweeted.

No. It highlights the stupidity and lack of emotional control of Portnoy and Olbermann. It highlights how social media has ruined public discourse and baits people into dismissing common sense and restraint.

If Twitter had existed in 1997, I’m sure I would have called Fuzzy Zoeller a piece of poop or a f*****g idiot. Luckily, I had editors and I wrote a rational column explaining the obvious animus, jealousy, and bigotry motivating Zoeller’s comments.

Most people in mainstream media rebuked Zoeller in 1997. That’s not the case with Angel Reese in 2023. Most of the corporate media are afraid to criticize Reese. She’s black. Everyone fears the race card.

ESPN’s Ryan Clark pre-emptively played the card via Twitter.

“If you praised Caitlin Clark as competitive, fiery, and passionate for doing the ‘You can’t See me’ celebration and are criticizing Angel Reese for the same we already know!!”

What do we actually know?

We know that Caitlin Clark briefly waved her hand in front of her face in the Elite Eight game against Louisville. The gesture wasn’t directed at any particular player. Clark claims it was directed at an Iowa assistant coach. We know that Clark plays with a bravado, a style, and an air of cockiness that mirrors Golden State Warriors guard Steph Curry. Clark is a bit of a hot dog. We know that. Hot dogs are annoying, not classless.

I’m not really a fan of either. But one is worse than the other. What Reese did was classless.

Reese reminds me of college football stars Johnny Manziel and Baker Mayfield. The two Heisman Trophy winners were widely criticized for their on-field antics. No one called the criticism racist because Manziel and Mayfield are white. In America, it’s appropriate to criticize the poor behavior of white people. We rationalize and sometimes even celebrate the poor behavior of black people.

We rationalize and celebrate the behavior we desire and expect. We want black girls to handle success in a classless manner. We want young black people to prioritize their skin color above all else. Following Sunday’s game, Angel Reese bragged about being ghetto and ‘hood and inspiring other black girls to do the same.


“I’m too ‘hood, I’m too ghetto,” she explained. “Y’all told me that all year. But when other people do it, y’all don’t say nothing. So this is for the girls that look like me.”

Reese sounds as misinformed and bigoted as Fuzzy Zoeller. The game of basketball is dominated by black athletes. There’s no shortage of basketball role models for black kids. There’s a glut.

What basketball lacks is a homegrown white American star who plays with flare and style. Basketball needs a Tiger Woods. Dawn Staley and Angel Reese would rather see the game forgo the growth Clark can deliver than see the spotlight on a white star.

We’ve seen all of this before. It will be interesting to see if the bigots break Caitlin Clark.
what a screed, its also laughable to compare Caitlin Clark to Tiger woods with the material conditions in this country lol
 
“Incompetence rather than conspiracy”. Reference by Rusty to the officials.

Seems to me that describes officials in men’s basketball as well.
 
https://www.theblaze.com/fearless/o...iger-woods-while-angel-reese-is-fuzzy-zoeller

Im not typically a Jason Whitlock fan but this article is pretty solid. Not that it matters but if you dont know JW is black man and not afraid to share his opinons. Its a free article so I copied and pasted it below.

The basketball establishment is reacting to Caitlin Clark much the same way the golf establishment reacted to Tiger Woods 25 years ago.

Most of the establishment is overjoyed. They see the opportunity, attention, and cash the Iowa basketball star can bring to the women’s game. And then there’s the contingent of bigots, the people fearful that Clark’s ascension will diminish them.

South Carolina head coach Dawn Staley and LSU center Angel Reese are the leaders of the latter group. They’re Fuzzy Zoeller. Tiger Woods triggered Zoeller.


You remember Fuzzy? He won the 1979 Masters and the 1984 U.S. Open. More than those victories, Zoeller is remembered for the racist and mean-spirited comments he made toward Tiger Woods during the final round of the 1997 Masters.

“He’s doing quite well, pretty impressive,” Zoeller told reporters. “That little boy is driving well, and he’s putting well. He’s doing everything it takes to win. So, you know what you guys do when he gets in here? You pat him on the back and say, ‘Congratulations and enjoy it,’ and tell him not to serve fried chicken next year. Got it.”

Zoeller snapped his fingers and turned away from reporters. He then turned back to say, “Or collard greens or whatever the hell they serve.”

Caitlin Clark, a white basketball star dominating a black sport, triggered Staley and Reese.

Clark’s Hawkeyes upset Staley’s No.1-ranked South Carolina team Friday night in the semifinals of the Final Four. Following the game, Staley deflected attention away from her coaching errors and Clark’s magnificent performance by complaining that unnamed reporters called South Carolina players thugs and monkeys. Staley framed Iowa coach Lisa Bluder’s harmless comment about a rebounding “bar fight” as racist.

Staley invented a racial narrative out of thin air. Corporate media sold Staley’s lies and gossip.

A white reporter egged Staley on, suggesting that the unsubstantiated criticism of Staley’s players was “dangerous.”

LSU players picked up where Staley stopped. The Tigers claimed they were disrespected and upset about the way Iowa defended South Carolina. I’m not joking. The fact that Iowa sagged off South Carolina along the perimeter disrespected LSU.

That was offered as part of the justification for Reese stalking and taunting Clark at the conclusion of LSU’s victory in Sunday’s championship game. Barstool Sports' Dave Portnoy and political pundit Keith Olbermann responded to Reese’s classless taunting by topping Reese’s lack of class. Via Twitter, Portnoy called Reese a piece of [poop] and Olbermann called Reese “a f*****g idiot.”

Portnoy's and Olbermann’s tweets justified ESPN’s Jalen Rose connecting the criticism of Reese to Staley’s postgame whining.

“How Angel Reese is being vilified by many highlights exactly what Dawn Staley was talking about,” Rose tweeted.

No. It highlights the stupidity and lack of emotional control of Portnoy and Olbermann. It highlights how social media has ruined public discourse and baits people into dismissing common sense and restraint.

If Twitter had existed in 1997, I’m sure I would have called Fuzzy Zoeller a piece of poop or a f*****g idiot. Luckily, I had editors and I wrote a rational column explaining the obvious animus, jealousy, and bigotry motivating Zoeller’s comments.

Most people in mainstream media rebuked Zoeller in 1997. That’s not the case with Angel Reese in 2023. Most of the corporate media are afraid to criticize Reese. She’s black. Everyone fears the race card.

ESPN’s Ryan Clark pre-emptively played the card via Twitter.

“If you praised Caitlin Clark as competitive, fiery, and passionate for doing the ‘You can’t See me’ celebration and are criticizing Angel Reese for the same we already know!!”

What do we actually know?

We know that Caitlin Clark briefly waved her hand in front of her face in the Elite Eight game against Louisville. The gesture wasn’t directed at any particular player. Clark claims it was directed at an Iowa assistant coach. We know that Clark plays with a bravado, a style, and an air of cockiness that mirrors Golden State Warriors guard Steph Curry. Clark is a bit of a hot dog. We know that. Hot dogs are annoying, not classless.

I’m not really a fan of either. But one is worse than the other. What Reese did was classless.

Reese reminds me of college football stars Johnny Manziel and Baker Mayfield. The two Heisman Trophy winners were widely criticized for their on-field antics. No one called the criticism racist because Manziel and Mayfield are white. In America, it’s appropriate to criticize the poor behavior of white people. We rationalize and sometimes even celebrate the poor behavior of black people.

We rationalize and celebrate the behavior we desire and expect. We want black girls to handle success in a classless manner. We want young black people to prioritize their skin color above all else. Following Sunday’s game, Angel Reese bragged about being ghetto and ‘hood and inspiring other black girls to do the same.


“I’m too ‘hood, I’m too ghetto,” she explained. “Y’all told me that all year. But when other people do it, y’all don’t say nothing. So this is for the girls that look like me.”

Reese sounds as misinformed and bigoted as Fuzzy Zoeller. The game of basketball is dominated by black athletes. There’s no shortage of basketball role models for black kids. There’s a glut.

What basketball lacks is a homegrown white American star who plays with flare and style. Basketball needs a Tiger Woods. Dawn Staley and Angel Reese would rather see the game forgo the growth Clark can deliver than see the spotlight on a white star.

We’ve seen all of this before. It will be interesting to see if the bigots break Caitlin Clark.
This was one of the signs I made for the game
 

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The only thing that stooped Angel from continuing to follow Caitlin was when Clark finally headed toward Iowa's bench.

Angel wanted no part of Iowa's bench, but if Clark would have headed any other direction Reese would have continued following her and probably would have head slapped her from behind at some point.

Caitlin has been taking this crap since at least the Georgia game, when she was literally two hand shoved to the floor from behind at the end. It took the adult in her to ignore Angel.

But here's what should have happened (and I brought it up in the game thread) Bluder should have gotten her out when LSU hit that last dagger three with about 55 seconds left. It would have

1) Given her a huge well deserved ovation
2) prevented the situation with Reese from ever having a chance of happening.
 
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It's sad that the NCAA women's basketball final is being overshadowed by all this and the race card is being thrown around. Viewership was up and broke records. A platform was cemented to a level that women's basketball has never seen before. That is what we should be celebrating. AND that our Hawkeyes made it to their first final ever.
As for the antics, I think we need to look deeper. Reece says she embracing her "too ghetto" and "too hood" persona. Goes on to say she is "from Baltimore." Guess that excuses how she behaves? She is a freshman.

It's also a difference in programs too. Look at the head coaches. Bluder took the high road and said she only controls her players and what she can control. Mulky chose to embrace Reece's taunting by saying she loves it, but look at Mulky's personality.

I'm proud of Coach Bluder and the Hawks and hope this will be a bump for recruiting and hope maybe some player in the portal wants to play alongside Clark and don the black and gold. This was something special.
Mulkey, of,course is being two faced. You can't both personally call Clark a "generational player" like she did in the "handshake line" and then say you love how your players taunt her.

Mulkey doesn't like or respect Clark, and neither do her players. If she says anything else she's a two faced liar.
 
The only thing that stooped Angel from continuing to follow Caitlin was when Clark finally headed toward Iowa's bench.

Angel wanted no part of Iowa's bench, but if Clark would have headed any other direction Reese would have continued following her and probably would have head slapped her from behind at some point.

Caitlin has been taking this crap since at least the Georgia game, when she was literally two hand shoved to the floor from behind at the end. It took the adult in her to ignore Angel.

But here's what should have happened (and I brought it up in the game thread) Bluder should have gotten her out when LSU hit that last dagger three with about 55 seconds left. It would have

1) Given her a huge well deserved ovation
2) prevented the situation with Reese from ever having a chance of happening.
Good post
 
Mulkey, of,course is being two faced. You can't both personally call Clark a "generational player" like she did in the "handshake line" and then say you love how your players taunt her.

Mulkey doesn't like or respect Clark, and neither do her players. If she says anything else she's a two faced liar.
Like the Queen of Narnia….not a drop of human blood inside her.
 
Caitlin in eight or nine weeks could walk into Cafe Du Monde in the French Market of NOLA to get herself some beignets and people in the cafe would recognize her. That other girl could do the same thing the next day, and no one would recognize her expect of course diehard LSU fans.
 
This is pretty dumb right here:

Iowa is trying to move on, and people keep wanting to drag them back into internet/social media firestorms. LSU won, they get to go to the White House, no need for a runner-up ceremony.
 
This is pretty dumb right here:

Iowa is trying to move on, and people keep wanting to drag them back into internet/social media firestorms. LSU won, they get to go to the White House, no need for a runner-up ceremony.
That is awesome of Jill Biden...but would LSU girls play nice....and Kim Mulkey in the White House...puke. I see Angel tweeted out "a joke" with laughing emojis...to Jill's suggestion Iowa should come. Angel is freaking classless. Educated guess...Jill also saw how screwed Iowa got with the BS calls...and Iowa still dropped 87 points...most ever points in defeat by a team in the title game....and had championship sportsmanship.
 
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Some of the biggest-ever NBA stars (Bird, Jordan) trash-talked their entire career.

I don't remember them specifically taunting but they probably did.

It goes with the game when played at the highest (and most every) level.
I generally agree with you, but I have to disagree here. I closely watched Jordan, Magic, Bird, etc., for years. Trash talkers? Absolutely. Taunting at the end of games? Never saw it. In fact, as I posted earlier, it generally was just the opposite. They praised their rivals and often described how it drove them to prepare harder during the off-season.

I guess what it boils down to is when is the line crossed? It's obviously subjective, but I'm in the camp that, once it's clear you have won the game, you show restraint and respect.
 
I generally agree with you, but I have to disagree here. I closely watched Jordan, Magic, Bird, etc., for years. Trash talkers? Absolutely. Taunting at the end of games? Never saw it. In fact, as I posted earlier, it generally was just the opposite. They praised their rivals and often described how it drove them to prepare harder during the off-season.

I guess what it boils down to is when is the line crossed? It's obviously subjective, but I'm in the camp that, once it's clear you have won the game, you show restraint and respect.
The girl is trash....her history and the crap she pulled...and still pulling. 10 years from now let's see where Caitlin is and where she is.
 
I generally agree with you, but I have to disagree here. I closely watched Jordan, Magic, Bird, etc., for years. Trash talkers? Absolutely. Taunting at the end of games? Never saw it. In fact, as I posted earlier, it generally was just the opposite. They praised their rivals and often described how it drove them to prepare harder during the off-season.

I guess what it boils down to is when is the line crossed? It's obviously subjective, but I'm in the camp that, once it's clear you have won the game, you show restraint and respect.
I was trying to say that most great players trash talk. I have no issue with Clark or LSU players trash talking.

I do take offense to the taunting, bullying, etc that LSU displayed.
 
This is pretty dumb right here:

Iowa is trying to move on, and people keep wanting to drag them back into internet/social media firestorms. LSU won, they get to go to the White House, no need for a runner-up ceremony.
Saw that. Bad idea. Media angles would be for all the wrong reasons. And it would set a president for the future where all runner ups would be expected to be invited.

This time Angel would have an actual ring to wave in Caitlin face and don't doubt that she wouldn't.
 
I have little doubt that had Iowa won that game it could have gotten ugly on the court, maybe violent. Who knows how unstable some of those LSU players would have been in defeat.
 
Saw that. Bad idea. Media angles would be for all the wrong reasons. And it would set a president for the future where all runner ups would be expected to be invited.

This time Angel would have an actual ring to wave in Caitlin face and don't doubt that she wouldn't.
So what does Bluder do if invited? Say no? That'll set off another barrage of frenzied racist talk, Iowa being chicken, Iowa is a red state, on and on.

Let's just hope the invite never happens.
 
So what does Bluder do if invited? Say no? That'll set off another barrage of frenzied racist talk, Iowa being chicken, Iowa is a red state, on and on.

Let's just hope the invite never happens.

That is a layup for her...thank them for the invitation, politely decline as she doesn't want to take the spotlight from the national champs, LSU.
 

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