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cjhawks

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Surprised this hasn't been posted yet. Or maybe I missed it.

Anyway, little roundup.

Haren to the Angels for Joe Saunders and 2 minor leaguers
Oswalt to the Phillies for JA Happ and 2 minor leaguers, one of which who was flipped to Toronto immediately for Brett Wallace (opening the door for a possible Berkman deal)
Cantu to the Rangers for a couple minor league pitchers
Scotty Pods to the Dodgers for 2 minor leaguers
Miguel Tejada to the Padres for a minor leaguer
Matt Capps to the Twins for C prospect Wilson Ramos and LHP Joe Testa

Help me out if I've missed any.

Some rumors -

Edwin Jackson (D'backs) could be on his way to the south side for pitching prospect Daniel Hudson
The Dodgers are talking to the Cubs about both Lilly and Theriot
Houston is talking to teams about Berkman
Teams have cooled on Adam Dunn
 
cjhawks said:
Surprised this hasn't been posted yet. Or maybe I missed it.

Anyway, little roundup.

Haren to the Angels for Joe Saunders and 2 minor leaguers
Oswalt to the Phillies for JA Happ and 2 minor leaguers, one of which who was flipped to Toronto immediately for Brett Wallace (opening the door for a possible Berkman deal)
Cantu to the Rangers for a couple minor league pitchers
Scotty Pods to the Dodgers for 2 minor leaguers
Miguel Tejada to the Padres for a minor leaguer
Matt Capps to the Twins for C prospect Wilson Ramos and LHP Joe Testa

Help me out if I've missed any.

Some rumors -

Edwin Jackson (D'backs) could be on his way to the south side for pitching prospect Daniel Hudson
The Dodgers are talking to the Cubs about both Lilly and Theriot
Houston is talking to teams about Berkman
Teams have cooled on Adam Dunn
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I realize that Ramos was blocked by Mauer in Minnesota, but that seems like a ton to give up for Matt Capps. Nobody wanted him this offseason,(outside of the Nats and Cubs) but he has rebounded to have a good year. Seems like Ramos could of been saved to use as part of a blockbuster down the road somewhere (this winter for a bat or a good pitcher) And the Astros flipping Gose to the Jays for Brett Wallace was a steal for the Stros. Wallace mashes the ball everywhere in the minors he has been and he has been moved to 1st base to mask his poor defense. Dont quite get why the Jays would move him for a marginal outfield prospect. I predict Berkman ends up either with the Yankees or White Sox. Nice move by the Phils to get Oswalt and the Astros kicked in like 11 million and hes under contract for next year, and if they really want they could flip him this winter for good prospects like they did with Cliff Lee last winter.
 
hamiltoncounty said:
The Astros flipping Gose to the Jays for Brett Wallace was a steal for the Stros. Wallace mashes the ball everywhere in the minors he has been and he has been moved to 1st base to mask his poor defense. Dont quite get why the Jays would move him for a marginal outfield prospect.
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You're joking, right? Toronto is the third team in less than a year to dump Wallace, and they probably made out the best in what they got for him (the Cards, who got rid of him first, did so in a deal for Matt Holiday--but sent two other prospects for a two-month rental & picked up his whole salary).

Wallace is a prototype illustration of the college slugger who turned into a relatively mediocre power hitter when he went from aluminum to wood bats.In the Cards & As farm systems last year he hit only a combined .294 with only 63 RBIs and 20 HRs in 532 ABs, despite playing in band box parks in hitters leagues. This year his stats look more impressive on paper, but they really aren't. No more notorious home park than that in Las Vegas where he has 18 HR, 61 RBIs & a 301 average in 381 ABs in 95 games---but are those numbers deceptive! The average is tenth best on the team. The team has used six starting pitchers, only 2 have an ERA under 6,00 and one of those is about 5.30.

Wallace hasn't "mashed" the ball anywhere enough to make it likely that he will hit enough and with enough power to be successful in the majors, particularly since he can't field anywhere (moved so far from 3B to RF to LF to 1B--born to be a natural DH)--and doesn't run well either.

Astro General Manager knew better: the original deal was to be Happ, Villan, and Class AA pitcher Vance Worley) and high average, power-hitting, high OBP Class AA 1B Matt Rizzotti. But Wade couldn't answer the owner's demand to know who would play 1B for the rest of 2010 & into 2011 while Rizzotti got final seasoning in Triple A ball. When the owner learned that Toronto badly wanted Gose and had tried to get him in the Roy Halladay trade last winter, he insisted that the trade terms be changed. The Astros agreed not to take Worley & Rizzotti (two highly regarded prospects no more than a year away from the majors) to ask for Gose instead--in order to send him on to Toronto for Wallace. A terrible blunder, turning a decent trade into a poor one from Houston's perspective.

And if you think Anthony Gose is a "marginal prospect" you have no idea what you are talking about. A 1st round pick in 2008, a year ago at 18 he was the youngest player in the Class A Sally League, but a unanimous selection as an All-Star & the top defensive CF (a cannon for an arm), led the league with 76 SBs. In 2010, he again is several years younger than the norm for the Florida State league, where he leads in 3B, again an All-Star. And when traded, he had risen to be the #5 prospect in the extremely deep Phillies system (Baseball America, ESPN, among other gurus, are on record that "no other organization has the depth of talent in Class A players of the Phillies"--despite trading for three Cy Young pitchers in less than a year without giving up but a single major league player, a testimonial to how deep their talent pool is).
 
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tiggerhawk said:
You're joking, right? Toronto is the third team in less than a year to dump Wallace, and they probably made out the best in what they got for him (the Cards, who got rid of him first, did so in a deal for Matt Holiday--but sent two other prospects for a two-month rental & picked up his whole salary).

Wallace is a prototype illustration of the college slugger who turned into a relatively mediocre power hitter when he went from aluminum to wood bats.In the Cards & As farm systems last year he hit only a combined .294 with only 63 RBIs and 20 HRs in 532 ABs, despite playing in band box parks in hitters leagues. This year his stats look more impressive on paper, but they really aren't. No more notorious home park than that in Las Vegas where he has 18 HR, 61 RBIs & a 301 average in 381 ABs in 95 games---but are those numbers deceptive! The average is tenth best on the team. The team has used six starting pitchers, only 2 have an ERA under 6,00 and one of those is about 5.30.

Wallace hasn't "mashed" the ball anywhere enough to make it likely that he will hit enough and with enough power to be successful in the majors, particularly since he can't field anywhere (moved so far from 3B to RF to LF to 1B--born to be a natural DH)--and doesn't run well either.

Astro General Manager knew better: the original deal was to be Happ, Villan, and Class AA pitcher Vance Worley) and high average, power-hitting, high OBP Class AA 1B Matt Rizzotti. But Wade couldn't answer the owner's demand to know who would play 1B for the rest of 2010 & into 2011 while Rizzotti got final seasoning in Triple A ball. When the owner learned that Toronto badly wanted Gose and had tried to get him in the Roy Halladay trade last winter, he insisted that the trade terms be changed. The Astros agreed not to take Worley & Rizzotti (two highly regarded prospects no more than a year away from the majors) to ask for Gose instead--in order to send him on to Toronto for Wallace. A terrible blunder, turning a decent trade into a poor one from Houston's perspective.

And if you think Anthony Gose is a "marginal prospect" you have no idea what you are talking about. A 1st round pick in 2008, a year ago at 18 he was the youngest player in the Class A Sally League, but a unanimous selection as an All-Star & the top defensive CF (a cannon for an arm), led the league with 76 SBs. In 2010, he again is several years younger than the norm for the Florida State league, where he leads in 3B, again an All-Star. And when traded, he had risen to be the #5 prospect in the extremely deep Phillies system (Baseball America, ESPN, among other gurus, are on record that "no other organization has the depth of talent in Class A players of the Phillies"--despite trading for three Cy Young pitchers in less than a year without giving up but a single major league player, a testimonial to how deep their talent pool is).
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The Astros dont need another speedy outfield prospect they already have Bourn in centerfield, you know the Michael Bourn ( .248 batting average) you suggested the Cubs should trade for even if it meant trading them their best pitcher and 2 of their top prospects. Wallace will play first base and probably have no problem hitting balls out of that short porch there. We shall see who ends up being right
 
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woodyk1 said:
Also, interesting trade for the Cardinals. Ludwick to SD and they get Westbrook from Cleveland.

MLB trade deadline: St. Louis Cardinals get Jake Westbrook from Cleveland Indians - ESPN
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That's what I thought as well, but it kind of makes sense. Ludwick is arbitration eligible next year, and they're not going to re-sign him, especially when A.) Jay is younger, cheaper, and better, and B.) they have to re-sign Pujols.

They're willing to bet that Skeletor can work his magic on Westbrook, and that's not a bad bet to make.

As far as the Cubs go, I wonder if they'll just leave Dewitt at second (they will the rest of this seaosn). His natural position is 3rd, but if Ramirez exercises his player option for 2011....DeWitt will probably just stay at 2nd. I think I just answered my own question.
 
ShadasRevenge said:
That's what I thought as well, but it kind of makes sense. Ludwick is arbitration eligible next year, and they're not going to re-sign him, especially when A.) Jay is younger, cheaper, and better, and B.) they have to re-sign Pujols.

They're willing to bet that Skeletor can work his magic on Westbrook, and that's not a bad bet to make.

As far as the Cubs go, I wonder if they'll just leave Dewitt at second (they will the rest of this seaosn). His natural position is 3rd, but if Ramirez exercises his player option for 2011....DeWitt will probably just stay at 2nd. I think I just answered my own question.
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Great, another injury prone pitcher. Not exactly what the Cardinals need this year. They needed to get Theriot to add some hitting to the middle infield.
 
atxhawk said:
Great, another injury prone pitcher. Not exactly what the Cardinals need this year. They needed to get Theriot to add some hitting to the middle infield.
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This can't possibly be a serious post. Also just saw that the Yankees got Kerry Wood.
 
ShadasRevenge said:
This can't possibly be a serious post. Also just saw that the Yankees got Kerry Wood.
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Also interesting about Wood. Let's see if he is up to helping the Yanks. He's supposedly Jaba insurance.

I agree on DeWitt. He's played a lot of 2B lately and the Cubs may be hoping to get lucky.
 
woodyk1 said:
Also interesting about Wood. Let's see if he is up to helping the Yanks. He's supposedly Jaba insurance.

I agree on DeWitt. He's played a lot of 2B lately and the Cubs may be hoping to get lucky.
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I think he'll only be going into his fourth year in the majors, so the Cubs won't even have to go to arbitration with him for another 2 years at least.
 
More ex-Cubs in trades ...

Farnsworth to the Braves (also Rick Ankiel). ESPN guy compares Farnsworth to McSorley in the NHL. :)

Ohman to the Marlins.
 
It's sad to see Theriot go. I know he's not the best second baseman but i like how he approaches the game.
 
woodyk1 said:
I am getting old. :eek: One of the prospects the Cubs are getting is Brett Wallach (son of Tim Wallach). Here's a quick blurb on the 2 prospects.

Cubs Land Brett Wallach, Kyle Smit In Ted Lilly Trade - SBNation.com
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Granted that Lilly is only a two-month rental, a free agent at the end of the season. Still, the deal raises eyebrows since it also includes Ryan Theriot, who the Dodgers at least recognize is an upgrade on Blake Dewitt at 2B. Most likely the Cubs plan is to move Dewitt to 3B next year--and that IMO is a positive sign that the management finally realizes it is far past time for the rebuilding to begin, and Ramirez is a part of the process along with Lee, Fukadome & Zambrano. On the other hand, while Dewitt is a much more satisfactory glove at 3B than at 2B, he hasn't shown real indications that he will provide the power you like to get from the third baseman. It would be nice to think that he is a bridge to Josh Vitter's arrival at Wrigley, but now injury has further stalled Vitters disappointing minor-league performance since he was a top draft pick.

The two throw-in prospects are a mixed bag: on the one hand, 2006 draft pick Smit spent three years in the low A Midwest League getting pounded, but finally pitching decently in the high A California League this season; while Wallach was a juco high draft pick last June who barely put on a uniform last season, but has pitched well basically starting his pro career
in the Midwest League with a 6-0 record, good K-IP ratio, with too many BB (not particularly alarming for a first year player).

Wallach, the son of Montreal Expo star Tim Wallach, is the key to the trade. If he continues to develop he has the attributes needed to be an eventual solid major league #2 or #3 starter. He may make it a good trade for the Cubs in time: just don't expect much from Dewitt or Smit.
 
hamiltoncounty said:
The Astros dont need another speedy outfield prospect they already have Bourn in centerfield, you know the Michael Bourn ( .248 batting average) you suggested the Cubs should trade for even if it meant trading them their best pitcher and 2 of their top prospects. Wallace will play first base and probably have no problem hitting balls out of that short porch there. We shall see who ends up being right
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Again, you clearly are unfamiliar with Gose. His status as one of the top prospects in baseball is because he projects as far more than just"another speedy outfielder". He is a 19 year old kid, already an All Star in high A ball, who is still maturing physically--but already is a solid 6-1, 200 pounds & showing the potential to be a serious extra-base hitter.

He plays in a park with very distant OF fences, in a pitcher's league (much older college guys like Ryan Howard & Chase Utley didn't put up big HR numbers in Clearwater--Howard had 9 HR in his full season there, Utley 7).
Gose prior to the trade was on pace to lead the league in triples, put up about 45 extra-base hits--better power stats than the best young hitter in baseball, Carl Crawford, put up at the same age.
 
tiggerhawk said:
Granted that Lilly is only a two-month rental, a free agent at the end of the season. Still, the deal raises eyebrows since it also includes Ryan Theriot, who the Dodgers at least recognize is an upgrade on Blake Dewitt at 2B. Most likely the Cubs plan is to move Dewitt to 3B next year--and that IMO is a positive sign that the management finally realizes it is far past time for the rebuilding to begin, and Ramirez is a part of the process along with Lee, Fukadome & Zambrano. On the other hand, while Dewitt is a much more satisfactory glove at 3B than at 2B, he hasn't shown real indications that he will provide the power you like to get from the third baseman. It would be nice to think that he is a bridge to Josh Vitter's arrival at Wrigley, but now injury has further stalled Vitters disappointing minor-league performance since he was a top draft pick.

The two throw-in prospects are a mixed bag: on the one hand, 2006 draft pick Smit spent three years in the low A Midwest League getting pounded, but finally pitching decently in the high A California League this season; while Wallach was a juco high draft pick last June who barely put on a uniform last season, but has pitched well basically starting his pro career
in the Midwest League with a 6-0 record, good K-IP ratio, with too many BB (not particularly alarming for a first year player).

Wallach, the son of Montreal Expo star Tim Wallach, is the key to the trade. If he continues to develop he has the attributes needed to be an eventual solid major league #2 or #3 starter. He may make it a good trade for the Cubs in time: just don't expect much from Dewitt or Smit.
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I don't think DeWitt is the plan at 3B nor do I think Theriot is an upgrade over him for the Dodgers. Defensively at 2B they are about equal and offensively Dewitt has had a much better bat this year especially plus he's much younger and cheaper. I'd expect Ramirez to be back at 3B next year and DeWitt to battle it out for a starting spot at 2B with some of the farm hands unless they pull off another trade for a 2B over the winter. However, he is definitely a nice util player and probably is the end of Baker and Fontenot who will both probably be gone this winter. DeWitt is a stop gap at 2B who should be able to hold it down for a year or two before the Cubs bring up Hak Ju Lee and shift Castro to 2B.

Hopefully the Cubs will shift Colvin to 1B for next year and spend whatever they have to to land Carl Crawford. They could then go after a FA pitcher and should be much improved. They'd have a lineup of Crawford, Castro, Byrd, Ramirez, Colvin, Soriano, Soto, DeWitt.

I definitely agree with you that Ricketts wants to move the transition process along and Z, Fukudome and Lee will all be gone over the winter. It wouldn't surprise me to see them attempt to move Silva as well. Hopefully Diamond will make a good impression over the next month or so while he starts for Lilly as he could be a nice possibility for next year.
 
tiggerhawk said:
Granted that Lilly is only a two-month rental, a free agent at the end of the season. Still, the deal raises eyebrows since it also includes Ryan Theriot, who the Dodgers at least recognize is an upgrade on Blake Dewitt at 2B. Most likely the Cubs plan is to move Dewitt to 3B next year--and that IMO is a positive sign that the management finally realizes it is far past time for the rebuilding to begin, and Ramirez is a part of the process along with Lee, Fukadome & Zambrano. On the other hand, while Dewitt is a much more satisfactory glove at 3B than at 2B, he hasn't shown real indications that he will provide the power you like to get from the third baseman. It would be nice to think that he is a bridge to Josh Vitter's arrival at Wrigley, but now injury has further stalled Vitters disappointing minor-league performance since he was a top draft pick.

The two throw-in prospects are a mixed bag: on the one hand, 2006 draft pick Smit spent three years in the low A Midwest League getting pounded, but finally pitching decently in the high A California League this season; while Wallach was a juco high draft pick last June who barely put on a uniform last season, but has pitched well basically starting his pro career
in the Midwest League with a 6-0 record, good K-IP ratio, with too many BB (not particularly alarming for a first year player).

Wallach, the son of Montreal Expo star Tim Wallach, is the key to the trade. If he continues to develop he has the attributes needed to be an eventual solid major league #2 or #3 starter. He may make it a good trade for the Cubs in time: just don't expect much from Dewitt or Smit.
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Ramirez's 15 million dollar option is a player option for next year and he has already said he intends to use it and stay with the Cubs. I imagine neither Baker nor Fontenot will be back so Dewitt will be the Cubs 2nd basemen next year. Lee will be gone, but I think the Cubs are probably stuck with Fukedome and Zambrano next year unless they can move Big Z and eat lots of money and take on another bad contract or something like that.
 
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